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dirt
Joined: 17 Aug 2001 Posts: 56
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Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 7:46 pm Post subject: Watcha think - RRD board, twin fin or single fin? |
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I'm looking at the RRD Fireride 135. It comes in single fin and double fin (twin 7.25" Enduro wave fins) options. Which would y'all recommend?
Background: I'm 180 lbs, decent intermediate sailor, and surf in minor chop conditions usually on 6.5 or 7.5 sail in Chesapeake Bay (MD). It's a mostly sandy beach launch. I tend to go on longish runs back and forth and hit most starboard jibes and maybe 1/3 port jibes (grrrrr).
I currently only have a 170 GO board and a JP 109 (for higher winds). But I've sailed the hifly 135 twin fin in Bonaire a few times and can't recall much of a difference in planing performance. The twin fin is supposed to spin out less but I don't know if I give up something else (stability in jibes, top end speed, ...?).
Thanks in advance for your thoughts! |
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U2U2U2
Joined: 06 Jul 2001 Posts: 5467 Location: Shipsterns Bluff, Tasmania. Colorado
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Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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sorry never rode either the twin or single Fireride 135, and since you aren't asking for advise on other boards, here s my 2cents on your question, single or twin, the twin will run in shallow water, the fin set will cost more, the twin will be loose, and recover from spins quite a lot easier than a single, may ..may not be as fast, probably close enough that the advantages will outweight that even if its slower.
2 or 1 , seems to have less noticeable consequence than the shape of the board itself, twins will help the board turn tighter with more noticeable grip, and makes it slightly more stable in a straight line when powered up.
in this size board, myself , I would go with the single unless I felt I needed some of the plus features of the twin, you may get better sail range with just one set of twin fins.
just for the record in my van is a RRD twin wave 74L, but in larger sizes, 104L and up all singles. _________________ K4 fins
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ctwindsurf
Joined: 16 Jun 2008 Posts: 88
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Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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I thought the 2010 wave twin 99 was fun and stable for the short length.
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U2U2U2
Joined: 06 Jul 2001 Posts: 5467 Location: Shipsterns Bluff, Tasmania. Colorado
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Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 9:24 am Post subject: |
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could be a deal breaker if the weed fins are a issue. good point
rode a Tabou Twin in Hatteras with cut down MFC weed fins, and I think still some weeds were a factor . my quad with really small fins (non weed) did as well.
think you could get weed fins made from Maui Ultra Fin , MUF, or Tarifa Fin Co. , but they would be custom, had a look round and thought that Choco Fins had a weed twin set, but nah.
its always something:( _________________ K4 fins
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89Spring
Joined: 24 Jul 2003 Posts: 241
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Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 10:12 am Post subject: |
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are these "twin fin" specific fins actually aysmetric foils or is this just a labeling marketing deal. |
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LeeD
Joined: 12 Jun 2008 Posts: 1175
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Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 10:26 am Post subject: |
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Marketing deal.
Shorter fins allow access to shallower waters, but it's generally a stupid idea to windsurf in 10" of water.
Shorter fins do catch LESS weed, but so do single weed fins.
Since freeride boards have straight and uncambered box settings, they end up riding similar to single fins.
That goes for ALL the currectly production twin fin wave boards. Marketing deal, pure gimmick. The real twin fin surfboards have jacked and canted fins, much wider tails, don't go straight or drop in fast, but get acceleration out of the hard turns. YOU don't turn hard enough, don't ride enough waves, and need straight line performace....DIS similar to riding twins and quads in surfing.
Marketing deal. |
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U2U2U2
Joined: 06 Jul 2001 Posts: 5467 Location: Shipsterns Bluff, Tasmania. Colorado
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Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 10:41 am Post subject: |
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89Spring wrote: | are these "twin fin" specific fins actually aysmetric foils or is this just a labeling marketing deal. |
if they are 2 fins, aka twin, they should be just like normal windsurf fins,
so they would have the foils on BOTH side, and be symmetrical.
not quite certain I understand your intent, on the marketing deal part?
if its is the fin specific: right or left, well MFC says so, but no reason why that makes any sense, they are G10 and have no memory. _________________ K4 fins
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human_catapult
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Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 10:43 am Post subject: |
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In Bonaire, those twin fin hifly boards were the ticket since the water there is shallow, especially at lower tides. They actually ride and jibe pretty nice.
My vote would be for the twin fin if you ride water that is potentially shallow at times. There were some tidal lagoons in Florida I used to sail in my intermediate phases where they would have come in really handy. |
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U2U2U2
Joined: 06 Jul 2001 Posts: 5467 Location: Shipsterns Bluff, Tasmania. Colorado
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Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:02 am Post subject: |
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LeeD wrote: | Marketing deal.
Shorter fins allow access to shallower waters, but it's generally a stupid idea to windsurf in 10" of water.
Shorter fins do catch LESS weed, but so do single weed fins.
Since freeride boards have straight and uncambered box settings, they end up riding similar to single fins.
That goes for ALL the currectly production twin fin wave boards. Marketing deal, pure gimmick. The real twin fin surfboards have jacked and canted fins, much wider tails, don't go straight or drop in fast, but get acceleration out of the hard turns. YOU don't turn hard enough, don't ride enough waves, and need straight line performace....DIS similar to riding twins and quads in surfing.
Marketing deal. |
interesting opinion, I found windsurf twins to ride quite different than a single.
fin placement on surf boards with 2 fins, could be set up in any number of ways,
http://swaylocks.com
using inside placement or near the rail, using either sym or asymmetrical fins, with toe, with cant or not. never seen the term "jacked" before. _________________ K4 fins
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U2U2U2
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Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:06 am Post subject: |
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human_catapult wrote: | In Bonaire, those twin fin hifly boards were the ticket since the water there is shallow, especially at lower tides. They actually ride and jibe pretty nice.
My vote would be for the twin fin if you ride water that is potentially shallow at times. There were some tidal lagoons in Florida I used to sail in my intermediate phases where they would have come in really handy. |
the RRD distributor in Hood River said that RRD did the FSW twins to address that demand. _________________ K4 fins
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