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bajaDean



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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

can you imagine liberal groups were reviewed by the IRS and so far the only groupd denied the 501 status is a liberal group forced to disclose its investors.

Not one right wing partisan group suffered the same fate.


and still the NAACP under Bush was actually audited aand at the request of many republicans. Because the NAACP said some things Bush did not like.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/05/15/1209257/-Liberal-groups-received-same-IRS-letter-that-ignited-Tea-Party-nbsp-outrage

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One of those groups, Emerge America, saw its tax-exempt status denied, forcing it to disclose its donors and pay some taxes. None of the Republican groups have said their applications were rejected.


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the Columbia Journalism Review reminds readers is the IRS's job.
Missing from much coverage is the relevant recent history—the role of the Supreme Court’s 2010 Citizens United decision and how it prompted a deluge of requests from new organizations seeking tax-exempt status under tax code Section 501(c)(4) as “social welfare” organizations—despite the fact that many of these are blatantly political operations.

Congress requires the IRS to review every application for tax-exempt status to weed out organizations that are partisan, political, or that generate private gain. Congress has imposed this requirement on the IRS, and its predecessor agencies, since 1913.


and right wingers believe tea so named organizations do not fit that????

we see in the media except for a few the above information but most of the right wing media plays

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All the groups the IRS sent information on were for conservative groups, ProPublica said. None were for liberal groups, even though ProPublica requested information on liberal and centrist groups.

Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/propublica-irs-conservative-tea/2013/05/14/id/504481#ixzz2TPFSJ6DL
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isobars



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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wonder whether the blamestream media are also interviewing the conservative businessmen applying for tax exempt status. IRS demands only of conservative organizations include:
• Send a list of every speaker your organization has ever had.
• Include complete transcripts of every meeting and speech.
• Send a list of every book your officers (and members?) have ever read.
• Hell, while you're at it, submit a book report on every book.

The list goes on, but there's already enough to prosecute not only the IRS but any administration creating or tolerating an atmosphere of such extreme corruption, according to federal law as cited by federal judges.

Yet when Obama was grilled by the LEFT WING media, in a WH press conference, about whether anyone in the White House knew of these long-standing IRS practices, he refused to answer the question. Instead, he cautiously and deliberately dodged it, emphasizing instead that HE did not know about it.

That is a "Yes" in anybody's book.
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finally the stenographers for Obama (the media) are slightly ticked off.

Asking what books they've read? Holding up organizations by 27 months. THIS IS TREASON. THEY AFFECTED THE OUTCOME OF THE ELECTION WITH THESE TACTICS. 500 different conservative causes were impeded by these traitors. Many lost their funding and folded.

But unlike the left who'd be burning Seattle by now, the conservatives are following the rule of law. Those hateful Glen Beck followers are simply going to church to pray about it.... Rolling Eyes

BTW, a flat tax would end this kind of shit for good.
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bard--arguing that this changed an election is crazy. You can only have non-profit status if your political activities are severely limited. You just don't know the law--from the Constitution on down.
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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

isobars wrote:
Wonder whether the blamestream media are also interviewing the conservative businessmen applying for tax exempt status. IRS demands only of conservative organizations include:
• Send a list of every speaker your organization has ever had.
• Include complete transcripts of every meeting and speech.
• Send a list of every book your officers (and members?) have ever read.
• Hell, while you're at it, submit a book report on every book.

The list goes on, but there's already enough to prosecute not only the IRS but any administration creating or tolerating an atmosphere of such extreme corruption, according to federal law as cited by federal judges.

Yet when Obama was grilled by the LEFT WING media, in a WH press conference, about whether anyone in the White House knew of these long-standing IRS practices, he refused to answer the question. Instead, he cautiously and deliberately dodged it, emphasizing instead that HE did not know about it.

That is a "Yes" in anybody's book.
do you know how many companies of all political nature were singled out by the IRS?

And from what I have heard so far only one lost their status and it was a liberal one. they had to disclose their donors against their will.

again the acting head of the IRS was a bush appointee, probably another brownie. and he has now been forced to quit.
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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 1:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:
Bard--arguing that this changed an election is crazy. You can only have non-profit status if your political activities are severely limited. You just don't know the law--from the Constitution on down.


500 conservative groups were blocked or held up for an average of 27 months while liberal groups were rubber stamped in an average of 7 weeks. Hundreds of conservative advocates were blocked as the election ran its course. In hind sight this may not have affected the outcome, but in the heat of the moment that was the objective of the harassment.
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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bard--try doing a little reading. The organizations in question seek to be tax-exempt 501(c)(4) organizations. Of course the nature and oversight of such organizations is controversial after the Citizen's United Decision. You can find a wealth of information here: http://www.independentsector.org/501c4_organizations

Particularly important is this bit:

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501(c)(4) organizations include two types of organizations: (a) social welfare organizations, defined by statute as civic leagues or organizations operated exclusively for the promotion of social welfare; and (b) local associations of employees of which the net earnings are devoted exclusively to charitable, educational, or recreational purposes. Learn more from the IRS.

501(c)(4) organizations are tax-exempt, but donations to them are not tax deductible and the identities of donors do not have to be disclosed. These organizations are allowed to engage in unlimited lobbying activities, and can engage in some campaign activity, as long as it is not their primary activity.


It is folly to pretend that this is not a fiercely partisan issue, and that both legislation proposals and litigation will follow to determine what level of political activities jeopardize their being considered educational or charitable. The courts have determined that donors contributions need not be revealed.

This is an interesting request from the Democrats, now a little more than a year old, which raises the issue of such organization overstepping their boundaries:

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Wednesday, 28 March 2012 10:12

Group urges IRS to crackdown on 501c4s and President to make recess appointments to the FEC

With the explosion of Super PAC spending in the presidential primary providing a troubling preview of coming attractions, Chief Deputy Whip Peter Welch (D-Vt.) today led 32 House Democrats in an effort to get federal watchdogs back on the beat in the post-Citizens United world.

“The spigots of spending have been opened and the rules of the campaign road are muddier now than ever before,” Welch said. “While we work to overturn the horribly misguided Supreme Court decision, federal agencies should send a clear signal that there is a cop on the beat enforcing federal laws.”

Welch and his colleagues are calling on the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) to investigate whether nonprofit 501(c)(4) organizations affiliated with Super PACs – such as Crossroads GPS, the Karl Rove-backed group spending millions of dollars in campaigns across the country – are in violation of federal law and IRS regulations. Groups qualifying for nonprofit tax-exempt status are generally prohibited by law from engaging in political activity.

Welch is also calling on President Obama to use his constitutional authority to fill five openings on the six-member Federal Election Commission (FEC) during the next recess of the United States Senate, which begins Friday. Because of partisanship and gridlock in the Senate, the FEC is widely viewed as a paralyzed and ineffective agency. Five of the six commissioners’ terms have expired. In a letter to Obama, Welch is urging him to fill these five seats so the FEC can immediately get back to work policing the new campaign landscape.


Finally, with Karl Rove wasting something like $800 billion of such 501(c)(4) money, your argument that this affected the rather dramatic and substantial victory of Obama sounds suspiciously like a river in Northern Africa.
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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just loving listening to the right whine about tactics they would embrace in a hot minute if it suited their agenda. What a bunch of pussies.
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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2013 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevenbard wrote:


500 conservative groups were blocked or held up for an average of 27 months while liberal groups were rubber stamped in an average of 7 weeks. Hundreds of conservative advocates were blocked as the election ran its course. In hind sight this may not have affected the outcome, but in the heat of the moment that was the objective of the harassment.


I know this is something basically impossible. Can you back up your lies here. I listened to the testimony of the IRS and NEVER heard him say this. Granted I may have taken a phone call or other interruption. But what I remember was it was 70 tea hater right wing organizations. and total that received the questioning was over about 300.

Now because our right wing media is so ignorant no one is bring up stats on this. What was the percentage of right wingers making these groups vs liberal. Is it 10 to one so the liberals were over audited? Seems the media is not willing to dig into this. That would be a good approximation as the reasons these are made is to shield the ultra rich that put money into politics. And as I have noted before if you look at the Forbes 500, it is hard to find many partisan liberals in that group. Same is you look at the Forbes 500 corporations. Thus the entire benefit to 501c4 is no disclose. There are plenty of other ways available to donate huge sums of money but it is public record. Only this way are donors shielded.

and again look at the Forbes 500 of people and corporations and you do not find many partisan liberals in these ranks. So it could be more like 50 to one in the filings of the right wing use vs liberal use of 501c4s.

where is that liberal media when you need one...

USA media is rated about number 47 in the world for being a free press. If there is one area of the world we should be number one in if we had a free press it would be in that ranking.

again from what I have heard the ONLY 501 that was denied that status by the IRS was a liberal group, not one right wing political partisan group...
and again I listened to the IRS testimony and I only heard the number to be 300 or so total groups and 70ish with tea and another 20 with other suspicious polical in nature names. lets see you back up your propaganda.
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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2013 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The idea that Karl Rove's Crossroad organization qualifies according to the IRS should turn everyone's stomach, and make you realize this needs to be changed. For a little better perspective, some real journalistic efforts:

http://www.cjr.org/united_states_project/the_other_irs_scandal.php?page=2

Another organization, behind the complaints to Breitbart, definitely should not qualify because virtually everything they do is as Republican party ops. A little commentary:

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For some tax-exempt classifications, an organization can not engage in any activity that primarily supports political candidates as they run for office.

True the Vote, which Colorlines reported extensively on last year, was engaged in plenty of work around elections and campaigns, and virtually all of the groups included in their network happen to be “tea party,” “patriot” and “9/12” groups — all conservative organizations that work both within the Republican Party and in support of its causes. And probably because those groups compose the bulk — if not all — of True the Vote’s membership, they are complaining that the IRS unfairly made them jump through hoops when registering as a tax-exempt group.
http://colorlines.com/archives/2013/05/true_the_vote_says_it_was_targeted_by_irs_--_appropriate.html
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