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jingebritsen
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quite often, i do not square up into waves. yes, i still have to offer the bottom of the board to get over the white water, but i do so obliquely with a technique that keeps me planing by not jumping unless it's clear that i will not stop planing when i land.
project the board over the wave, then reapply lots of mast foot pressure and sheet in appropriately to keep the plane alive. quite physical to do, but nearly as getting worked or suddenly slogging....
pick your way thru. chicken jibe only as a last resort.
again, the more onshore, the larger kits have to be, unless it's a full on gale. then it's about instantaneous planing and acceleration.
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beaglebuddy
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Are you tacking? perhaps tacking on both ends can keep you upwind and give you more options like staying upwind of this zone entirely or more likely giving you the option of bearing off to gain speed.
I'm no expert but think about how you get over whitewater on a SUP, step back and sink the tail while leaning forward. |
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skyking1231
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| tried searching online ..... what is a chicken jibe ? Does it go by another name ? |
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manuel
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| Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2014 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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| jingebritsen wrote: | | quite often, i do not square up into waves. yes, i still have to offer the bottom of the board to get over the white water, but i do so obliquely with a technique that keeps me planing by not jumping unless it's clear that i will not stop planing when i land. |
Can you do this on deep white water or a late lip?
| beaglebuddy wrote: | | Are you tacking? perhaps tacking on both ends can keep you upwind and give you more options like staying upwind of this zone entirely or more likely giving you the option of bearing off to gain speed. |
100% agree even more important when surf sailing or after getting lots of turns out of a clean side-on wave.
| skyking1231 wrote: | | tried searching online ..... what is a chicken jibe ? Does it go by another name ? |
It's a regular jibe but done right in front a big close out.
It's much easier in side conditions, where there's wind nearly everywhere in the waves. In light side-on conditions, the bigger waves can create a wind shadow which gives a dead spot in the flats where the chicken jibe is executed.
In general the wind picks up as the wave approaches in a venturi type of effect so what happens is that the rider goes out, sees a big close out in front of him with no escape, jibes in front of the wave, may run out of wind temporarily, as the wave approaches behind him, the water lifts up providing a slope and the wind kicks in somewhere around the same time.
When it's really big, the white water can hit the back of the sail before the slope starts. The more momentum the more chance to escape, pumping helps as well as a faster and more stable kit.
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keycocker
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| I learned from better sailors that the white water hitting the sail from behind can drive you forward like wind and save the day. You might have some wave force still left underneath to help push you out of the intact zone also. |
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beaglebuddy
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| Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2014 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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| skyking1231 wrote: | | tried searching online ..... what is a chicken jibe ? Does it go by another name ? |
Pivot jibe, stomp jibe, snake jibe.
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beaglebuddy
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| Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2014 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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I watched some of your videos Manuel, I don't think you need any help, you are tearing it up  I really liked your footstrap video. |
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nw30
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| beaglebuddy wrote: | | skyking1231 wrote: | | tried searching online ..... what is a chicken jibe ? Does it go by another name ? |
Pivot jibe, stomp jibe, snake jibe. |
LOL, well I suppose that is an answer.
Chicken jibe ~ to chicken out, on your way out, jibing on the inside to go back to shore and start over again. |
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manuel
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| beaglebuddy wrote: | | I watched some of your videos Manuel, I don't think you need any help, you are tearing it up I really liked your footstrap video. |
Thanks I try to focus on things where I had the most questions (footstraps being one) and as I find answers, I enjoy sharing them because I know how difficult it can be to figure all this out.
I was experimenting with late peak feel (on smaller waves 1.5m but with a good 12s period). The most important thing that came out of it was momentum. The more inertia, the easier it is to balance and the less time is spent over unstable water. Pumping to build a minimum of speed can make a difference.
The slower the speed the more critical it is to hit the wave dead on so that the wave doesn't flip the board around. In general the white water doesn't provide much buoyancy so it's important to hit it with speed to reduce the amount of time over it and catch the harder water behind it.
And finally lifting the nose up is important over white water because once over it, it's difficult to get the board out since there's little lift.
So it looks like there isn't a real answer to my original question, I'd probably go for the section which will break the latest hoping to catch a not-so-powerful hit. A friend of mine told me that when facing a big one at slow speeds, you can literally throw your gear forward over it. I haven't had to do that yet. I usually enter the reef at planing speeds unless it's smaller or the period is long enough to have a wide open reef.
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jingebritsen
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| Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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i avoid getting engulfed by the lip or the heaviest white water.
i thread thru the impact zone to either hit mellower sections or stuff that isn't critical enough to throw me back.
this is done with either timing thru judgement (not planing), or tons of speed (lit up).
sometimes i can time going over the critical stuff with either slowing down and waiting too. chicken jibe works for doing that too.
there is no easy answer.
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