Voter "Fraud" or voter disenfranchisement?

mac · Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 4:24 pm Post subject:

Now that we're starting to see some analysis of corporate funding, and the potential impacts of voter suppression, let's revisit this thread with a few facts.

--in the pitched battle for the Senatorial seat in North Carolina, same-day registration allowed 250,000 voters to vote in 2008 and 2012. Banned by the GOP--because of voter fraud? No, because they know how those folks voted.

--10%--the number of Wisconsin voters that could be disenfranchised by Walker/ALEC's restrictions. They know how those folks were likely to vote.

--608,000--the number of registered voters in Texas who lack the ID required by the new law--passed at the urging of ALEC and GOP operatives. Of course it is of no concern to those who rationalize such measures that a black voter is three times as likely to be disenfranchised as a white voter. They know how those folks were likely to vote.

nw30 · Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 1:58 pm Post subject:

A needed case for voter disenfranchisement.
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Obama amnesty creates loophole for illegal immigrants to vote in elections

Driver’s licenses, social security numbers facilitate improper registration, officials warn

By Stephen Dinan - The Washington Times - Thursday, February 12, 2015

President Obama’s temporary deportation amnesty will make it easier for illegal immigrants to improperly register and vote in elections, state elections officials testified to Congress on Thursday, saying that the driver’s licenses and Social Security numbers they will be granted create a major voting loophole.

While stressing that it remains illegal for noncitizens to vote, secretaries of state from Ohio and Kansas said they won’t have the tools to sniff out illegal immigrants who register anyway, ignoring stiff penalties to fill out the registration forms that are easily available at shopping malls, motor vehicle bureaus and in curbside registration drives.

Anyone registering to vote attests that he or she is a citizen, but Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted said mass registration drives often aren’t able to give due attention to that part, and so illegal immigrants will still get through.

Kansas Secretary of State Kris W. Kobach said even some motor vehicle bureau workers automatically ask customers if they want to register to vote, which some noncitizens in the past have cited as their reason for breaking the law to register.

“It’s a guarantee it will happen,” Mr. Kobach said.

Democrats disputed that it was an issue at all, saying Mr. Obama’s new policy, which could apply to more than 4 million illegal immigrants, doesn’t change anything in state or federal law.

Delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton, the District of Columbia’s nonvoting member of Congress, accused Republicans of an effort at voter suppression.

“The president’s executive order gives immigrants the right to stay — immigrants who have been here for years, immigrants who have been working hard and whose labor we have needed,” Ms. Norton said. “The Republicans may want to go down in history as the party who tried once again 100 years later to nullify the right to vote. Well, I am here to say they shall not succeed.”

Rep. Stephen F. Lynch, Massachusetts Democrat, said he doubted illegal immigrants would risk running afoul of the law — which could get them deported — just to be an insignificant part of an election.

The hearing was the latest GOP effort to dent Mr. Obama’s executive action, announced in November, which grants tentative legal status and work permits to as many as 4 million illegal immigrant parents whose children are either U.S. citizens or legal permanent residents. The president also expanded a 2012 policy for so-called Dreamers, or illegal immigrants brought to the U.S. as children, granting them tentative legal status and work permits as well.

Republicans say there are a host of unintended consequences, including the chances of illegal voting, a perverse incentive created by Obamacare that would make newly legalized workers more attractive to some businesses than American workers and complications with the tax code.

The newly legalized workers can apply for back refunds from the IRS even for years when they didn’t file their taxes, agency Commissioner John Koskinen told Congress on Wednesday.

Mr. Koskinen said the White House never spoke with him about potential consequences before Mr. Obama announced his policy changes. The secretaries of state who testified to the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform on Thursday said they too never heard from Mr. Obama ahead of time.

Mr. Husted has written the Obama administration asking for help in identifying the name and date of birth of all noncitizens who get Social Security numbers, which he said would allow states to go back and clear illegally registered voters from their rolls.

He said the administration hasn’t responded.

"Why I wrote the letter is I want to comply with federal law,” he said.

Matthew Dunlap, Maine’s secretary of state, said he believed the laws already on the books are good enough to stop any voting mischief in his state, and he doubted illegal immigrants had incentive or intent to try to interfere with U.S. elections.

“My experience is they don’t come here to vote, and they don’t come here to drive. They come here for a better life,” he said.

Mr. Kobach countered with a story about a legal permanent resident who had not yet become a citizen but who registered and voted nonetheless, and who said she wanted to support candidates who would help her earn citizenship faster.

Only four states require proof of citizenship before someone registers to vote, Mr. Kobach said. And even in those states, the federal government offers voter registration cards that don’t require proof of citizenship, giving determined illegal immigrants a way to circumvent checks.

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/12/obama-amnesty-creates-loophole-for-illegal-immigra/?page=2#ixzz3ReXYQUKu

mac · Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 4:45 pm Post subject:

I scare myself, and I don't mean lightly...

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Boy this one must make right wingers mad... Oh my gosh you have to opt out to not vote and are automatically enrolled to vote....

Well we have one state that really believes in democracy opportunity.. And they mail their vote in, gee... and no major claims ever found of significant vote fraud. Can not be true according to a right winger.

Again just like the weapons of mass destruction they said were there and spent 6 trillion dollars looking for them, to date even with all the right wing governors, and when Bush was in office when he put vote fraud as a high priority it has never found in any place in the history of the USA that ID would have stopped any vote fraud over ha handful a year. Where electronic vote fraud can flip elections and has never been investigated with a special prosecutor and ever place it has been investigated it is found to be easily hackable to those who control the election or make the machines. Not one instance where all the documentation requested by independent programmers and universities was provided has shown a single safe non- easily hacked electronic system.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-oregon-automatic-voter-registration-20150317-story.html

Under new Oregon law, all eligible voters are registered unless they opt out

real-human · Joined: 02 Jul 2011 Posts: 14881 Location: on earth

wow a handful of vote fraud cases because of easier registration...

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/texas-governor-helps-debunk-his-own-voter-fraud-argument?cid=eml_mra_20160315

Texas governor helps debunk his own voter-fraud argument

03/15/16 10:41 AM—UPDATED 03/15/16 11:54 AM

By Steve Benen

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http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/house-republican-accidentally-tells-the-truth-about-voter-id?cid=eml_mra_20160406

House Republican accidentally tells the truth about voter ID

real-human · Joined: 02 Jul 2011 Posts: 14881 Location: on earth

is there anything more anti-american than preventing people from voting. Is their one absolute right to being a democracy than allowing every persons vote to count. Shouldn't people who systematically deprive votes be imprisoned? Who is tough on crime? I say deprive 1 person a misdimeanor, 2-20 a felony and 1-3 years in jail, 20-100 felony with 3-5 years, 100-1000 felony 5-10 years, over 1000 to 10,000 is 20 years tolife. and over 10,000 is a life sentence. This would be a state and federal offense.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/ex-staffer-wisconsin-gop-intended-id-law-disenfranchise-dems?cid=eml_mda_20160408

nw30 · Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:32 am Post subject:

Last night our esteemed president made a short speech on American Idol's last broadcast, in that speech he said this in regards to voting, "I believe it should be almost as easy as voting on American Idol, and we’re working on that."

That says everything you need to know about BHO's feeling on voting. Anybody can vote on A.I., anybody, illegals, convicts, kids, anybody, no ID required, and you can vote as many times as you want.