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ittiandro



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 4:12 pm    Post subject: Sun exposure damages board Reply with quote

Hi
I just moved my almost brand-new Bic WindSup outside in the yard, after the winter indoor storage.
I had carefully wrapped it with a canvas tarp to protect it from he sun, as I had done last year.
When I unwrapped the board as I was about to go out for my first session of the season, I discovered to my dismay, that in places the sun heat had unglued, peeled off and badly shrunken the EVA pad on the deck . It cannot be re-glued since it has shrunken by a few inches.
It looks like the glue had melted. A real mess!
In addition, one of the bare areas of the deck outside the EVA pad looks warped. slightly caved in, with ripples, indicating some melting which had subsequently stopped. Fortunately there are no sign of softening of the hull surface. Just an unsightly deformation, about 1 ft long . The deck is still hard and I am sure the hull is still water-proof.
I can't see how could this happen. It is only the beginning of the summer here and the day temperatures over the last few days has been keeping between 16-25° C.
I'll contact the seller because the board is still under warranty,but I'm holding my breath, because the Bic site explicitly ( and very conveniently !) excludes from the warranty any damages from exposure to the sun heat(?) .
I wonder if anybody has had the same experience or comments.
Is it normal that a board should fail so badly under the above-mentioned circumstances?
I left the board outside last year, too, without any problem, after all.
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isobars



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Board bags (or tarps) + direct sun = potential for very high temperatures. Best of luck.
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ittiandro



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

isobars wrote:
Board bags (or tarps) + direct sun = potential for very high temperatures. Best of luck.


Thanks for your comment, Isobars.

I agree, but I would have expected this to be more true in tropical or even-semitropical areas, not in Canada , especially at this time of the year, with the torrential rains we had over the last week and temperatures as low as 16-18 ° C, occasionally surging to 25-26 °. One night we were even down to 10° C and my wife had to put the heating on..

I still think that the problem is with the board : it should not melt like this..Looks like somebody went over it with a ….heat gun!

I had many boards and I always kept them out in the sun for the whole summer, without any problem !
Bic usually makes sturdy and reliable boards, but, as with cars, lemons can sometimes slip through..
One thing is sure: whether I settle this under warranty or not, I’ll certainly never again keep the board under the sun, protected or unprotected.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

boards don't like the sun / heat
(how does that work out for the black carbon boards?)
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personally do not like board bags and when i use them, the zipper always stays slightly open
and i keep boards out of the sun - even my longboard is stored inside the garage
windspirit repair shop told me of a woman who brought her board with vent closed in a board bag and in the heat,
it turned into a football - delaminated that badly
the BIC SUP may not even have a vent plug ....
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nor do boards like water ironically - inside
for the water - Patrik makes hollow boards that have a drain plug = nice
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The damage as I read it is to the pad, or pads. If it just shrunk it probably useable anyway, but will degrade and peel , probably.

Find a replacement, either ready made pad or , material to make your own.

Use contact cement to adhere or self stick on ready made.

The real project is to remove the existing pad, since it doesn't like heat I would heat gun it and pull it off, GOO GONE will help.

This damage puzzles me, as on intense heat IMO , would do this, covered with a canvas tarp, I feel I would contact BIC anyway.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

U2U2U2 wrote:
The damage as I read it is to the pad, or pads. If it just shrunk it probably useable anyway, but will degrade and peel , probably.

Find a replacement, either ready made pad or , material to make your own.

Use contact cement to adhere or self stick on ready made.

The real project is to remove the existing pad, since it doesn't like heat I would heat gun it and pull it off, GOO GONE will help.

This damage puzzles me, as on intense heat IMO , would do this, covered with a canvas tarp, I feel I would contact BIC anyway.


Thanks for your hints.
Yes, I informed the dealer and I sent photos. They submitted a claim in warranty to the manufacturer. I hope for the best, but I am prepared for the worse.

Luckily, I can still use the board in the meantime, because only the upper deck is affected and the board is still watertight. It is only a bit knocked in and deformed ( warped) in one place (about a ft) due to the expansion of the material under the heat. Ugly to see, but still perfectly functional.

If I cannot get a new board under the warranty, yes, eventually I’ll have to fix it myself by replacing the pads.

Goo Gone is a good idea. Never used it, but it is available here. Does it really remove the old hardened contact cement, though, without damaging the material of the board? What about sanding the old glue away?

As usual, I am open to suggestions

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Ittiandro
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 2:56 pm    Post subject: Sun exposure damages board Reply with quote

Happy to report that Bic finally honored the warranty, not without some hard work from the store I had bought it from. I got a brand new board!
I have been out only 4 times because of the awful weather here so far. Rain, rain, rain!
I was out yesterday. I knew there would be practically no wind, but I was so eager to find some respite from the heat and also to try out out my HSM 8.0 Superfreak that I took a chance to drive the 120 km to beautiful Lac StPierre ..
There were no windsurfers around ( of course!) and a few dinghies stuck in the water with the sails flapping.. Still, i was able to cruise around ! The Superfreak, I guess, along with the much..frowned upon Bic Windsup allowed me to enjoy what for most windsurfers would have been a boring afternoon. I could certainly do with some more wind, but I can’t complain.. Admittedly, I set my bar lower than most windsurfers, who sit on the beach with a gloomy look with 15 knts winds, but to each his own!

Occasionally the wind gusted at probably 15 knts and I took the opportunity to practice my seat harness.

Mixed feelings. I can hook in and out easily by now, but it doesn’t make much of a difference. Maybe it would in stronger winds, but not with light-to-moderate winds. First, I don’t get the feeling of hanging down-and-out .

The boom at first was chest high. I thought I’d raise it by 2”-3”. Better, but still no marked hanging down-and-out feeling. I then played with the lines length, bearing in mind that with a seat harness the lines have to be longer because the hook is way below the waist, almost at the pelvis height… I was also expecting that by hanging down from the boom, the board would get some more lift, therefore more speed, because of the added pressure on the mast-foot, as the theory goes..
Still, even with the occasional 15 knts winds it didn’t make much of a difference if I was hooked on or not.…
Any comments or suggestions on this issue will be as usual appreciated.

As previously reported, my windsurfing enthusiasm was a bit dampened at the news that, according to Dr DXA Machine, I am I the throes of a severe osteoporosis and that I’d risk breaking my back even by..lacing my shoes or pick up my brief-case from the floor ( let alone lift my board..) without the due precautions..
Well, I am a risk taker : I trust my body and I decided to continue windsurfing..

The first time I went out this year I was a bit uneasy, not knowing whether I’d be able to drive home with my car or..with an ambulance.

Well, I was able to unload the board from the car, haul it to the shore, fully rigged, sail out the whole day, fall and uphaul as I had always done! Business as usual! It was an empowering feeling! To put all the chances on my side, though, yesterday I decided to wear a back brace and I use now he Easy-Uphaul gadget, which takes away a lot of strain from the back. I think a back brace will not be necessary.

I can’t really understand why Dr DXA Machine spitted out that diagnosis..Maybe he needs maintenance or the calibration was off, as often happens. I keep reading about machines giving wrong diagnoses.
I’ll see the specialist in October and hopefully she will settle this matter.

Take care

Ittiandro
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To answer quickly, the harness' job is to take all of the sail's power through our body and transfer it to the board with our legs. Our hands then only gently stir the board.

On bigger boards, it's often difficult to stay hooked in while slogging because the boom can be higher than on smaller gear. That said, it's good practice to setup your gear so that you can slog hooked in without issues.

You should be able to find a sweet spot leaning back into the harness, resting your arms to gently help the sail in wind variations or directional changes.

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