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jfeehan
Joined: 27 Jul 1998 Posts: 156
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:04 pm Post subject: Phantom Sails |
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Maybe some of you are aware of Phantom International - they are a French company that builds foiling catamarans.
http://www.phantom-international.com/
Anyway, they have been teasing on their Facebook page with photos of what appear to be a line of windsurfing sails.
https://www.facebook.com/pg/PhantomInternational/posts/?ref=page_internal
scroll down in their posts, and you will see what looks like some sort of race sail, and a few posts below that what might be foiling-specific sail
I thought it was a bit unusual that what is basically a sit-down sailing company would, in 2017, start building windsurfing sails..., although if you haven't been to Europe recently, you might be surprised to hear that windsurfing is still pretty big there - even with young people. |
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dllee
Joined: 03 Jul 2009 Posts: 5329 Location: East Bay
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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North, Neil Pryde, Gaastra were sailboat sailmakers before they branched out to windsurf gear. Hope they find their niche in the market. |
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jfeehan
Joined: 27 Jul 1998 Posts: 156
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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zirtaeb wrote: | North, Neil Pryde, Gaastra were sailboat sailmakers before they branched out to windsurf gear. Hope they find their niche in the market. |
yes - i do a lot of sailboat racing
the difference is that Phantom is really a boat maker, more than a sail maker. I guess, based on this, that they might actually be making the sails for their boats, but previously I would have guessed that they were sub-ing the sails out to a sailmaker.
I've seen the Phantom cats in Bermuda - Team Oracle had a few of them at their base for the team to play with. They are pretty cool looking, although supposedly not that easy to sail. |
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grantmac017
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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Shows a 7.8, maybe they are getting into windfoil? |
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jfeehan
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VinceSF
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Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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Their technology looks a lot like Avanti's. |
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jfeehan
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Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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VinceSF wrote: | Their technology looks a lot like Avanti's. |
i think one of the main differences is that avanti uses aramid fibers where phantom will use dyneema.
Aramids (kevlar is one) have been used for many years to make sailboat sails. Dyneema is newer and less common, but is arguably better for a few reasons - i think it degrades less in UV, and is less susceptible to damage from flogging, which bends the fibers too much. Aramids can be a bit brittle.
I guess there are some areas where aramids are better, but i don't know that much more about it... |
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Joined: 06 Jul 2001 Posts: 5467 Location: Shipsterns Bluff, Tasmania. Colorado
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Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:18 am Post subject: |
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jfeehan wrote: | VinceSF wrote: | Their technology looks a lot like Avanti's. |
i think one of the main differences is that avanti uses aramid fibers where phantom will use dyneema.
Aramids (kevlar is one) have been used for many years to make sailboat sails. Dyneema is newer and less common, but is arguably better for a few reasons - i think it degrades less in UV, and is less susceptible to damage from flogging, which bends the fibers too much. Aramids can be a bit brittle.
I guess there are some areas where aramids are better, but i don't know that much more about it... |
The discussion on materials, where in the sail, which is better in certain panels,
Is best left to those experts who have research and testing aplenty.I have some custom sails where I could chose materials, I know just enough , of some, the smartest thing is let the builder decide.
In my own tests at home mono, is by far the most effected by uv.
The claims by Phantom, 25% less, 25% more are advertising hype, with little support. Price just one , 25% less compare to what Sail, and what price, MSRP .?
Is shipping from France? Having sails sent from The UK, shipping is reasonable exchange rate does matter.
Is the difference between a sailboat sail and windsurf , only materials? _________________ K4 fins
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