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boggsman1
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| mat-ty wrote: | | boggsman1 wrote: | Q: Does Putin prefer $82 Brent, or $42 Brent?
Once you've got that right, its pretty easy to understand the motivation...Ask Harold Hamm the same question...He was worth $4B when crude was $31/barrel, now he's worth $22B at $72.68 WTI. In 2004, Hamm, Aubrey McLendon , and many other oil billionaires funded an effort to tar John Kerry as a liar, it worked, they prospered. 2016 was similar but much broader...
Oil barons HATE Democrats. Democrats regulate, and promote oil alternatives, a nightmare for guys like Daniel Plainview.... |
Might have to cash in the Sahara.. thing drinks gas like a drunk in the cheap seats.  ..... |
$4 handles popping up at gas stations and its not even June yet! Hopefully all the folks who went long a Double Cab Dodge Ram Longbed with the gun racks have lots of $$$$$ in their checking account.... |
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MalibuGuru
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| boggsman1 wrote: | | mat-ty wrote: | | boggsman1 wrote: | Q: Does Putin prefer $82 Brent, or $42 Brent?
Once you've got that right, its pretty easy to understand the motivation...Ask Harold Hamm the same question...He was worth $4B when crude was $31/barrel, now he's worth $22B at $72.68 WTI. In 2004, Hamm, Aubrey McLendon , and many other oil billionaires funded an effort to tar John Kerry as a liar, it worked, they prospered. 2016 was similar but much broader...
Oil barons HATE Democrats. Democrats regulate, and promote oil alternatives, a nightmare for guys like Daniel Plainview.... |
Might have to cash in the Sahara.. thing drinks gas like a drunk in the cheap seats. ..... |
$4 handles popping up at gas stations and its not even June yet! Hopefully all the folks who went long a Double Cab Dodge Ram Longbed with the gun racks have lots of $$$$$ in their checking account.... |
Boggs, what's the best cure for high oil prices? HIGH OIL PRICES!
PS, just bought my new Raptor... |
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MalibuGuru
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 11:13 am Post subject: |
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| New narrative. We were "protecting" Trump...Haha |
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real-human
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 11:43 am Post subject: |
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| MalibuGuru wrote: | | New narrative. We were "protecting" Trump...Haha |
in your delusional mind...
again Carter page has been investigated for what several years as a potential turned/owned operative as the russians claimed he was in their top secret communications that were intercepted long before page was involved with trump. And he was certainly in deep trouble as suspicion goes when in these russian top secret communications to moscow the russians conveyed page notified them he was under suspicion . This infuriated the FBI that an american would notify the russians that he was warned about being in the russians pockets. I think they should have had his pension removed for that one. But they did not want the russians to know the USA had been able to decode russian top secret communications as they had to now disclose because of trump. Again we are less safe now because we have had to divuldge methods that were top secret.
Again why was Kushner going to the russians to use their top secret communications equiptment to communicate with Putin? again the usa only knew this because they were able to decipher russian embassy communications to Putin.
If you would not investigate each of these for these alone instances I would say you are as dumb as you are a lemming.
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vientomas
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| mat-ty wrote: | | vientomas wrote: | | mat-ty wrote: | | LHDR wrote: | This is getting ridiculous. The FBI did its job investigating the Trump campaign. So there is no a need for this "instant new line [that] Trump is soooo bad that it was justified". It's all in the head of the writer.
And mat-ty, could you explain what these lies to a judge are that you mention?
Theater of the absurd is no match for the right's writing here. And a staggering demonstration of the power of propaganda to convince people of incredible distortions of reality. If I didn't read it here, I wouldn't believe it and that it could happen to real people, in this country at this time after all that last century's history should have taught with abundant clarity. |
The Steele dossier was a fabrication sold to a judge as facts by the political opposition.
The left and the never Trumpers tried to get away with the most corruppt abuse of power in history and it is all going to come back and whack them in the head.
If you don't think this was all a set up to bring down Trump you are sadly mistaken are are going to be VERY disapointed with the end results. |
Dossier Claim: Russia Meddled
Revelation: The U.S. intelligence apparatus concluded that Russia interfered in 2016’s election in a report released in January 2017. Though Steele’s name is not mentioned in that report, it does back up his reporting that Russia was actively interfering in the election process.
Dossier Claim: Russia Had Dirt on Clinton and DNC
Revelation: Much of the dossier is devoted not only to Trump but to Russia’s—specifically Putin’s—distaste for former Secretary of State Clinton. “Putin motivated by fear and hatred of Hillary Clinton,” one line of the dossier reads. Another line said: “The two sides had a mutual interest in defeating Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, whom President Putin apparently both hated and feared.”
Steele later cites one source as stating Russia that was behind the leak of hacked Democratic National Committee (DNC) emails to WikiLeaks.
The U.S. intelligence community confirmed not only that Russia had tried to meddle in the election but that it was the source of the hacked DNC emails released by WikiLeaks.
Dossier Claim: Putin Was in Charge
Revelation: On the very first page of the dossier, Steele explains that the election meddling was “endorsed by Putin” and that the effort was “both supported and directed” by him. The U.S. intelligence report reached the same conclusion, writing that Putin “ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the presidential election.” According to Steele’s sources, Putin and Russia had been cultivating Trump for “at least 5 years.”
Dossier Claim: Mr. Cohen Goes to Prague
Revelation: The president’s former personal attorney, Michael Cohen, was accused in the dossier of meeting with “Kremlin representatives” in Prague in August 2016. Cohen has repeatedly denied traveling to the Czech capital, but McClatchy last month reported that Mueller had evidence the trip happened.
The report stated that Mueller’s team discovered proof Cohen got to Prague through Germany. The two countries are part of a number of European nations with an open borders agreement that allows undocumented travel. However, no other media outlet has been able to confirm McClatchy’s reporting.
Dossier Claim: Russian Diplomat Was a Spy
Revelation: Steele also claimed that Russia was worried a diplomat named Mikhail Kalugin was heavily involved in the meddling operation. Afraid he would be exposed, Russia pulled Kalugin out of Washington on “short notice.” Steele actually misspelled Kalugin’s name, but the U.S. government had identified Kalugin as a Russian spy, the BBC reported in March.
Dossier Claim: Page Met With Russians
Revelation: Carter Page previously denied having met with Russian government officials during his trip to Russia in July 2016, but he admitted to the meeting while speaking to the House Intelligence Committee last November. Page was a foreign policy adviser to Trump’s campaign and in June 2016 delivered a speech in Washington praising Putin. And as early as September 2016, U.S. officials were looking into Page’s contacts in Russia, Yahoo News reported.
Dossier Claim: Manafort Received Payment for Work in Ukraine
Revelation: Paul Manafort, who is facing serious charges from Mueller’s team, worked extensively in Ukraine for years before Trump hired him as campaign chairman in 2016. The longtime Washington lobbyist received $12.7 million from the political party of former pro-Russia Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych between 2007 and 2012, The New York Times reported on August 14, 2016. Manafort resigned from the campaign after that report.
Steele’s dossier states that Yanukovych and Putin met the day after the story broke, and the former made assurances to the latter that no trail could be found.
“This had been held in secret on 15 August near Volgograd, Russia, and the Western media revelations about Manafort and Ukraine had featured prominently on the agenda,” the dossier says about the meeting. “Yanukovych had confided in Putin that he did authorize and order substantial kick-back payments to Manafort as alleged but sought to reassure him that there was no document trail left behind which could provide clear evidence of this.”
In April 2017, financial records unearthed by the Associated Press confirmed that at least $1.2 million went to Manafort’s company from Ukraine.
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-russia-dossier-true-proven-929839 |
Tell me shithead, on what planet is it illegal to meet with Russian. In the real world people need to break laws before a judge becomes involved.
But then again we are dealing with a group of angry scumbags who still to this day can not except the results of an election. Fabricated BS, pushed and plotted by the most corrupt government officials in history and a dishonest media.
Not going to end well for democrats, ZERO doubt about that. |
"shithead"? Is that really necessary Mat-ty? Are you entirely incapable of engaging in debate without making personal attacks?
You made a claim that the dossier was all lies. I show you that you are wrong. You then change the premise from the dossier containing nothing but lies to the dossier not evidencing crimes. You thereby admit that your original statement was wrong. As I have shown you, at least some of the contents of the dossier are in fact true. Whether or not the activities described therein rise to the level of criminal activity is another subject. One that this "shithead" has not opined. Please try to keep up with the class and stay on subject.  |
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mat-ty
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| vientomas wrote: | | mat-ty wrote: | | vientomas wrote: | | mat-ty wrote: | | LHDR wrote: | This is getting ridiculous. The FBI did its job investigating the Trump campaign. So there is no a need for this "instant new line [that] Trump is soooo bad that it was justified". It's all in the head of the writer.
And mat-ty, could you explain what these lies to a judge are that you mention?
Theater of the absurd is no match for the right's writing here. And a staggering demonstration of the power of propaganda to convince people of incredible distortions of reality. If I didn't read it here, I wouldn't believe it and that it could happen to real people, in this country at this time after all that last century's history should have taught with abundant clarity. |
The Steele dossier was a fabrication sold to a judge as facts by the political opposition.
The left and the never Trumpers tried to get away with the most corruppt abuse of power in history and it is all going to come back and whack them in the head.
If you don't think this was all a set up to bring down Trump you are sadly mistaken are are going to be VERY disapointed with the end results. |
Dossier Claim: Russia Meddled
Revelation: The U.S. intelligence apparatus concluded that Russia interfered in 2016’s election in a report released in January 2017. Though Steele’s name is not mentioned in that report, it does back up his reporting that Russia was actively interfering in the election process.
Dossier Claim: Russia Had Dirt on Clinton and DNC
Revelation: Much of the dossier is devoted not only to Trump but to Russia’s—specifically Putin’s—distaste for former Secretary of State Clinton. “Putin motivated by fear and hatred of Hillary Clinton,” one line of the dossier reads. Another line said: “The two sides had a mutual interest in defeating Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, whom President Putin apparently both hated and feared.”
Steele later cites one source as stating Russia that was behind the leak of hacked Democratic National Committee (DNC) emails to WikiLeaks.
The U.S. intelligence community confirmed not only that Russia had tried to meddle in the election but that it was the source of the hacked DNC emails released by WikiLeaks.
Dossier Claim: Putin Was in Charge
Revelation: On the very first page of the dossier, Steele explains that the election meddling was “endorsed by Putin” and that the effort was “both supported and directed” by him. The U.S. intelligence report reached the same conclusion, writing that Putin “ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the presidential election.” According to Steele’s sources, Putin and Russia had been cultivating Trump for “at least 5 years.”
Dossier Claim: Mr. Cohen Goes to Prague
Revelation: The president’s former personal attorney, Michael Cohen, was accused in the dossier of meeting with “Kremlin representatives” in Prague in August 2016. Cohen has repeatedly denied traveling to the Czech capital, but McClatchy last month reported that Mueller had evidence the trip happened.
The report stated that Mueller’s team discovered proof Cohen got to Prague through Germany. The two countries are part of a number of European nations with an open borders agreement that allows undocumented travel. However, no other media outlet has been able to confirm McClatchy’s reporting.
Dossier Claim: Russian Diplomat Was a Spy
Revelation: Steele also claimed that Russia was worried a diplomat named Mikhail Kalugin was heavily involved in the meddling operation. Afraid he would be exposed, Russia pulled Kalugin out of Washington on “short notice.” Steele actually misspelled Kalugin’s name, but the U.S. government had identified Kalugin as a Russian spy, the BBC reported in March.
Dossier Claim: Page Met With Russians
Revelation: Carter Page previously denied having met with Russian government officials during his trip to Russia in July 2016, but he admitted to the meeting while speaking to the House Intelligence Committee last November. Page was a foreign policy adviser to Trump’s campaign and in June 2016 delivered a speech in Washington praising Putin. And as early as September 2016, U.S. officials were looking into Page’s contacts in Russia, Yahoo News reported.
Dossier Claim: Manafort Received Payment for Work in Ukraine
Revelation: Paul Manafort, who is facing serious charges from Mueller’s team, worked extensively in Ukraine for years before Trump hired him as campaign chairman in 2016. The longtime Washington lobbyist received $12.7 million from the political party of former pro-Russia Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych between 2007 and 2012, The New York Times reported on August 14, 2016. Manafort resigned from the campaign after that report.
Steele’s dossier states that Yanukovych and Putin met the day after the story broke, and the former made assurances to the latter that no trail could be found.
“This had been held in secret on 15 August near Volgograd, Russia, and the Western media revelations about Manafort and Ukraine had featured prominently on the agenda,” the dossier says about the meeting. “Yanukovych had confided in Putin that he did authorize and order substantial kick-back payments to Manafort as alleged but sought to reassure him that there was no document trail left behind which could provide clear evidence of this.”
In April 2017, financial records unearthed by the Associated Press confirmed that at least $1.2 million went to Manafort’s company from Ukraine.
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-russia-dossier-true-proven-929839 |
Tell me shithead, on what planet is it illegal to meet with Russian. In the real world people need to break laws before a judge becomes involved.
But then again we are dealing with a group of angry scumbags who still to this day can not except the results of an election. Fabricated BS, pushed and plotted by the most corrupt government officials in history and a dishonest media.
Not going to end well for democrats, ZERO doubt about that. |
"shithead"? Is that really necessary Mat-ty? Are you entirely incapable of engaging in debate without making personal attacks?
You made a claim that the dossier was all lies. I show you that you are wrong. You then change the premise from the dossier containing nothing but lies to the dossier not evidencing crimes. You thereby admit that your original statement was wrong. As I have shown you, at least some of the contents of the dossier are in fact true. Whether or not the activities described therein rise to the level of criminal activity is another subject. One that this "shithead" has not opined. Please try to keep up with the class and stay on subject. |
Sorry but anyone at this point who still does not acknowledge that this was a set up by Obama , the DNC, and the deep state, is a shithead.
And please show me the law where it is illegal to speak with Russians. |
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boggsman1
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| I'm a shithead too...Thanks Matty, I'll wear the badge with honor!!! |
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mat-ty
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| boggsman1 wrote: | | I'm a shithead too...Thanks Matty, I'll wear the badge with honor!!! |
The handwritings on the wall Boggs. That's why the desperate left are digging up porn stars out of desperation. It was a setup from day one, and I will bet you a boom bra that Comey, Clapper , Brenner, or some scum from the Obama administration will face some serious charges. Trump will walk away untouched and only made stronger by the very fools who thought they could bring him down...
Stay tuned it's going to get rocky... |
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boggsman1
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If were going to bet , lets make it worth while. Charges, legal charges, for the above referenced, in what time frame?
I will bet you an IKon Pass for criminal convictions for any of the people you have referenced... If 3 or 4 of them are convicted, 3 or 4 Ikon Passes. If not, you buy me a case of Pliney the Elder. So, Im on hook for $899 each, you $48. deal? |
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mac
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| The black helicopters are hovering over Matty. The tinfoil cap gives him the news directly. |
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