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boggsman1
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| mat-ty wrote: | Meanwhile Trump has been tougher on Russia than any president in recent history. That's an undeniable fact that the left seems to ignore.
Bottom line, the left had ZERO interest in Russia till Trump won. |
Simply not true on any level... |
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nw30
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:27 am Post subject: |
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| boggsman1 wrote: | | mat-ty wrote: | Meanwhile Trump has been tougher on Russia than any president in recent history. That's an undeniable fact that the left seems to ignore.
Bottom line, the left had ZERO interest in Russia till Trump won. |
Simply not true on any level... |
Why was NATO created? To keep Russia in check.
Why has Trump been hard on the members of NATO? Because they been trying to freeload as much as they can.
And why is that? Because they don't care about Russia's threat to the free world as much as Trump does.
Why did Trump slam Angela Merkel? Because she, as a member of NATO, has been acting foolish by relying on Russian natural gas with a direct pipeline to them.
Has any other president been so blatant in his opinion about NATO's loss of their original mission? No.
It's really quite simple to understand if you would allow yourself to think outside of the liberal appeasement box that the mainstream media wishes still existed...………. Obama or Hillary style. |
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mac
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:32 am Post subject: |
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Ukraine, Crimea, Syria, suborning democracy in the US and Europe? The right doesn't care. Trump is the weakest and worst president in history.
Release the taxes. Let's see how much he owes Russians. |
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nw30
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:35 am Post subject: |
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| When did that happen again? Oh yeah, I remember, you must have forgotten. |
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boggsman1
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:37 am Post subject: |
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| Angela Merkel is the leader of the only legitimate credit in the EU. If she feels the Russian relationship is critical in keeping the nat gas spigot running, that's her business...I wouldn't describe the NATO members as "free-loaders", they each have different aims and goals, than the US.. |
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nw30
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:57 am Post subject: |
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| boggsman1 wrote: | | Angela Merkel is the leader of the only legitimate credit in the EU. If she feels the Russian relationship is critical in keeping the nat gas spigot running, that's her business...I wouldn't describe the NATO members as "free-loaders", they each have different aims and goals, than the US.. |
"Trying" to be freeloaders.
And you're correct about the other members of NATO having "different aims and goals", and the fear of Russia has little to do with it. So Trump reminds them of their original goal of NATO, and they freak, along with our mainstream media which seemingly has forgotten as well.
Trump is weak, what a canard, it's laughable.
I suppose it's just too bad that Trump didn't say what Obama said to Putin, "cut it out". It's never worked on the playground, and it especially doesn't work among world leaders. |
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mac
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What a tool. Trump essentially ratified Russian incursions into Crimea and the Ukraine, ceded Syria to them and has long promised to do away with sanctions. What exactly, other than act like he is intimidated by Putin, has Trump done that is strong?
Make Russia Great Again! MRGA. The sound of US interests being strangled. |
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boggsman1
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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| nw30 wrote: | | boggsman1 wrote: | | Angela Merkel is the leader of the only legitimate credit in the EU. If she feels the Russian relationship is critical in keeping the nat gas spigot running, that's her business...I wouldn't describe the NATO members as "free-loaders", they each have different aims and goals, than the US.. |
"Trying" to be freeloaders.
And you're correct about the other members of NATO having "different aims and goals", and the fear of Russia has little to do with it. So Trump reminds them of their original goal of NATO, and they freak, along with our mainstream media which seemingly has forgotten as well.
Trump is weak, what a canard, it's laughable.
I suppose it's just too bad that Trump didn't say what Obama said to Putin, "cut it out". It's never worked on the playground, and it especially doesn't work among world leaders. |
A policy goal is one thing, maybe tRump should attempt to articulate it.
Throwing the country under the bus, with the Autocrat sitting at your side is UN-American in my view, and it was a horrible moment to watch live. Maybe you enjoyed it, I did not.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/07/trump-putin-helsinki-fiasco-character-not-collusion-best-explanation/ |
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nw30
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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| mac wrote: | What a tool. Trump essentially ratified Russian incursions into Crimea and the Ukraine, ceded Syria to them and has long promised to do away with sanctions. What exactly, other than act like he is intimidated by Putin, has Trump done that is strong?
Make Russia Great Again! MRGA. The sound of US interests being strangled. |
What would you prefer WWIII with the country that your party has long admired for decades? Who's the tool?
"Wait until I get re-elected, I'll have more flexibility then", that wasn't Trump. |
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mat-ty
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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| mac wrote: | Ukraine, Crimea, Syria, suborning democracy in the US and Europe? The right doesn't care. Trump is the weakest and worst president in history.
Release the taxes. Let's see how much he owes Russians. |
He does!! every year, to the only folks that matter, THE IRS |
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