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nw30
Joined: 21 Dec 2008 Posts: 6485 Location: The eye of the universe, Cen. Cal. coast
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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BREAKING NEWS: Trump has just admitted that the secret meeting between he and Putin was all about grandchildren and golf. |
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mac
Joined: 07 Mar 1999 Posts: 17747 Location: Berkeley, California
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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By Fareed Zakaria
Columnist
July 19 at 6:23 PM
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President Trump’s news conference Monday in Helsinki was the most embarrassing performance by an American president I can think of. And his preposterous efforts to talk his way out of his troubles made him seem even more absurd. But what has been obscured by this disastrous and humiliating display is the other strain in Trump’s Russia narrative. As he recently tweeted, “Our relationship with Russia has NEVER been worse thanks to many years of U.S. foolishness and stupidity.” This notion is now firmly lodged in Trump’s mind and informs his view of Russia and Putin. And it is an issue worth taking seriously.
The idea that Washington “lost” Russia has been around since the mid-1990s. I know because I was one of the people who made that case. In a New York Times Magazine article in 1998, I argued that “central to any transformation of the post-Cold-War world was the transformation of Russia. As with Germany and Japan in 1945, an enduring peace required that Moscow be integrated into the Western world. Otherwise a politically and economically troubled great power . . . would remain bitter and resentful about the post-Cold-War order.”
This never happened, I argued, because Washington was not ambitious enough in the aid it offered. Nor was it understanding enough of Russia’s security concerns — in the Balkans, for example, where the United States launched military interventions that ran roughshod over Russian sensibilities.
etc. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/russia-might-have-been-lost-from-the-start/2018/07/19/e45c1a42-8b92-11e8-8aea-86e88ae760d8_story.html?utm_term=.e4b9b9959b69
continued efforts at diversion, and touting the benefits of collusion are expected. |
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real-human
Joined: 02 Jul 2011 Posts: 14877 Location: on earth
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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nw30 wrote: | BREAKING NEWS: Trump has just admitted that the secret meeting between he and Putin was all about grandchildren and golf. |
Putin doesn't play golf or tic tac toe.
trump never had a thing to do about raising his kids till they were grown up so talking about grand children NOT.
But again he had an american in the room, so I do not think anything of importance was discussed that would be harmful to him. It is only when there is only the russian translator and no american one that there is a problem. Again he did that before to set up his back channel of how to communicate. _________________ when good people stay silent the right wing are the only ones heard.
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real-human
Joined: 02 Jul 2011 Posts: 14877 Location: on earth
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swchandler
Joined: 08 Nov 1993 Posts: 10588
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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mat-ty, you got quite a high off that Jens Kerns opinion piece.
A total BS commentary, but you're all in with it and are strutting around like an amped up rooster for Trump. Sadly, you're missing what's really going on. You seem to readily thrive on nonsense that supports your crazy Trump loving world.
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mac
Joined: 07 Mar 1999 Posts: 17747 Location: Berkeley, California
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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Matty’s on team Russia. |
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nw30
Joined: 21 Dec 2008 Posts: 6485 Location: The eye of the universe, Cen. Cal. coast
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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real-human wrote: | nw30 wrote: | BREAKING NEWS: Trump has just admitted that the secret meeting between he and Putin was all about grandchildren and golf. |
Putin doesn't play golf of tic tac toe.
trump never had a thing to do about raising his kids till they were grown up so talking about grand children NOT.
But again he had an american in the room, so I do not think anything of importance was discussed that would be harmful to him. It is only when there is only the russian translator and no american one that there is a problem. Again he did that before to set up his back channel of how to communicate. |
Hook, line, and sinker,,,,,,, you would bite at that.
You probably don't even know where that excuse came from.
Maybe your buddy mac can explain it to you, assuming he hasn't forgotten also. |
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mat-ty
Joined: 07 Jul 2007 Posts: 7850
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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swchandler wrote: | mat-ty, you got quite a high off that Jens Kerns opinion piece.
A total BS commentary, but you're all in with it and are strutting around like an amped up rooster for Trump. Sadly, you're missing what's really going on. You seem to readily thrive on nonsense that supports your crazy Trump loving world. |
SW you sound like that old guy at the nursing home who suddenly awakes and starts blurting out scrambled non-sense.
It must suck watching someone you despise accomplish so much...fucking chump. |
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swchandler
Joined: 08 Nov 1993 Posts: 10588
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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mat-ty, I can tell you're pretty unsettled by my comments. You're definitely displaying your ugly flags in full view.
Yet, what you don't seem to appreciate is that there are folks in American like me that don't like what's happening. Let's see how things play out in the November elections. |
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mac
Joined: 07 Mar 1999 Posts: 17747 Location: Berkeley, California
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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NW’s on team Russia too. |
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