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joethewindsufa



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

all windsurfers are obviously very curious about foiling
as a longboarder, I often wonder how many knots would i gain
in 10 knot winds longboarders can have a decent day
especially when using a raceboard with a larger sail like a GA Swift 10 m
obviously the sails are MUCH smaller and easier to handle in those winds with the foils
if you say that foiling starts at 8 knots with pumping ....
the allure seems to drop a bit for me ...

the other side of the coin is it is feeling like an arms race
first the foils came out - with AHD having been there for ages
then the foil oriented boards and now the sails too ...
that's a LOT of cash
and the details are only becoming more and more clear NOW

personally will stay on the sidelines until all becomes even more clear
and enticing ...

KEEP the good info coming !!!

know frpgear are not a fan of joe windsurfer
but will put of their info here just the same Smile

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coachg



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe,
Not all windsurfers have the same goals in 10 knts of wind. I don't think you really have decided what your 10 knot goals are yet which is why you are having great difficulty choosing equipment.

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joethewindsufa



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

my ten knot goal is get on the water and have some fun Very Happy
winds under that are too iffy here
at around 12 knots the wide freeride JP SLW92 often does the trick
just read on seabreeze that few or no boards do both foiling and windsurfing really well - ideally need two boards
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dllee



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing planes earlier than LWS boards, and coupled with a big foil, will be the earliest planing unit in the water...by about 2-3 mph sooner than windsurf.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe,

A goal should be measurable and you obviously can not measure fun. If you do not have a measurable goal you end up chasing an imaginary pot of gold at the end of a rainbow. If you are going to switch off the foil at 12 knots then I'm not sure it would be worth getting a foil even at a low cost

I would agree with Seabreeze on boards not doing both foiling & windsurfing really well, but everyone's definition of "really" will be different. There is a place for boards that do both; sailing in extreme tides for example.

If you do pursue a foil, your JP would work just fine if you reinforced the fin box or purchased a Power Plate. The caveat of foiling in light winds is pumping. Everybody is willing to do lots of pumping at first-I once counted Andy Brandt doing 27 very physical pumps to fly the foil-but after the newness of foiling wears off the desire for extended pumps drops in my observation. If you are not willing to be physical I think you are much better off with your long board.

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NOVAAN



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I first started windsurfing, in the dark ages, FUN was anytime I got a board and a sail wet. Before foiling, I would go out and mess around even if the wind wasn't strong enough to plane. Now with foiling, I find myself hopping for either strong small sail windsurfing or 10 to 15 lite wind foiling. Makes almost everyday doable on my lake...
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CoreAS



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dedicated foil boards are nice but not essential for learning to foil.

We foil on an inland lake (Dallas) where there is no consistent wind!
5-14, 10-25 can be the spread.

Summer 2017 I bought a $799 NP aluminum foil, stuck it in a 2011 RRD 122 slalom board and used a 6.4 RAF sail. I had so much fun learning and cost wise its very affordable.

As Coach g said I cannot measure the exhilaration of it! It has tripled our time on water...Its like back in days when you're making up any excuse to get off work and go sail.

We now have a great community of foilers, we all test each others equipment and share feedback etc. No need to over anaylize kit when you are learning, after a while you'll find out what works for you at your local beach.

Pic August 2017, I had no idea what I was doing but damn it was fun Smile



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joethewindsufa



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i do like the idea of 10-15 knots as a light wind range ...
for longboard, wide freeride , foil, etc
i was also looking at NP aluminum foil as a starter
my concern was more my weight (and the fin box)
had heard the mast on the aluminum had issues with > 85 kilos

this chart confirms what people are saying here as light wind minimums
from the starboard foil perspective ...

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sailors in the Seattle (light, gusty) area found the NP to be stable but not early flying AT ALL, the few here were sold. Their new releases have twice the wing (but I haven't talked with any users).
Most average size sailors here are on either the biggest Slingshot, SB or LP wings and 7.5-8.6m sails in 8-12kts expecting some slogging.

A raceboard will start to rail up around the same wind speed as a foil lifts in my experience. So let that be your guide.
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CoreAS



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

grantmac017 wrote:
Sailors in the Seattle (light, gusty) area found the NP to be stable but not early flying AT ALL, the few here were sold. Their new releases have twice the wing (but I haven't talked with any users).
Most average size sailors here are on either the biggest Slingshot, SB or LP wings and 7.5-8.6m sails in 8-12kts expecting some slogging.

A raceboard will start to rail up around the same wind speed as a foil lifts in my experience. So let that be your guide.


Foiling has already changed so much in last 18 months, like you said we now have plenty of choices. Best thing for beginners is talk to experienced foilers at their homespot to get a feel or test a foil.

Body weight, board choice, athletic pumping ability can all factor in! I’m 205 lbs and sometimes pump 25+ times in super light winds (my Garmin says around 183 BPM) ...much lighter foilers pump couple, three times and there away.

Im sure each region has a foil preference, we have foiled NP Aluminum, NP/F4 Carbon, slingshot, Naish, Horue, LP and custom foils with different mast and fuselage lengths, Each one has a different characteristic.

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