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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

can you imagine trump pardoning the russians...

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/trump-pardon-strategy-would-have-to-include-russians-to-end-probe-1248257091732?v=b

Trump pardon strategy would have to include Russians to end probe


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Rachel Maddow explains why if Donald Trump wanted to pardon his way out of the Mueller investigation by pardoning all of his family, friends, and colleagues, the Russian indictments would still keep everyone on the hook, so Trump would have to pardon the Russians too.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

more pardons but state courts could go after them..

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/19/politics/trump-foundation-q-and-a/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%253A+rss%252Fcnn_allpolitics+(RSS%253A+CNN+-+Politics)

Exactly how much trouble is the Trump Foundation in?

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(CNN)Last Thursday, the attorney general of New York sued the Trump Foundation, alleging that the organization affiliated with the President of the United States and his family had broken a number of laws governing charitable groups. "As our investigation reveals, the Trump Foundation was little more than a checkbook for payments from Mr. Trump or his business to nonprofits, regardless of their purpose or legality," said Barbara Underwood, the Empire State's AG.

The Trump Foundation dismissed the lawsuit as entirely politically motivated, noting that it had given out more money ($19 million) than it had even received in donations.
Where does the the truth lie? And just how normal -- or abnormal -- is the way in which the Trump Foundation operated? I reached out to Marc Owens, the former director of the exempt organizations division of the Internal Revenue Service, for answers.
Our conversation, conducted via email and lightly edited for flow, is below.
Cillizza: Let's start simple: How odd is the way the Trump Foundation operates when compared to other similar-sized foundations?
Owens: Whether the Trump Foundation is compared to similar-sized, i.e. small, family foundations or it is compared to foundations of any size and type, my answer is the same: the Trump Foundation may be unique in the variety and scope of its transgressions of state and federal law, as well as the visibility of the transgressions.
Since the enactment of the private foundation excise taxes in the Tax Reform Act of 1969, the IRS has undertaken a variety of audit programs focused on federal tax law compliance. The results have not generally been made public, but some have, including a report released in 1990 of a statistically valid audit project of private foundations that involved a review of 882 organizations. The project, known as the "Grant-making Administrative Expenses Study," was required by Congress in the Deficit Reduction Act of 1984, and the study was made public as a result. In a concluding observation, the study noted, "Overall, we found that private foundations are in substantial compliance with the provisions of the tax laws that apply to them." None of the 882 foundations in the study exhibited behavior even distantly close to that of Trump Foundation as detailed in the New York attorney general's petition.
In fact, while my years at the IRS brought me into contact with many charities and foundations that had violated federal tax law, few approached the variety of the Trump Foundation's transgressions.
Cillizza: What is being alleged here? And what is the most serious charge?
Owens: The petition, because it was filed by the New York attorney general, focuses on state charity law violations, including violations of the duty of care, that is, a foundation's board has a duty to see that a foundation uses its funds for charitable purposes and not for private, personal benefit of board members.
The most serious state charge is essentially the basket of violations of the duty of care as reflected in the purchase of paintings to decorate Trump resorts, the use of foundation funds to settle lawsuit disputes between the Trump Organization and various third parties, the use of foundation assets to support Donald Trump's political campaign and, finally, the misreporting of the preceding on the foundation's federal Form 990-PF return, which New York law also requires to be filed with the New York attorney general. It should be noted, however, that the facts described in the petition have analogs in federal tax law, where the same transgressions that are outlined in the petition could trigger civil tax penalty excise taxes, revocation of tax-exempt status and potentially the application of the "termination tax" under section 507 of the Internal Revenue Code which authorizes the IRS in cases of repeated, flagrant violation of the rules for foundation behavior, to levy a tax equivalent to 100% of the assets of the foundation. Of course, the New York attorney general has asked that the foundation be dissolved and its assets transferred to other charities. Finally, the filing of knowingly false or inaccurate Form 990 federal tax returns has triggered criminal sanctions in at least five or six cases in the last 10 years. The charges in those case included conspiracy to defraud the United States, the making false statements on tax returns and the aiding and abetting of the filing of a false tax return. The penalties can include substantial fines and jail time.
Cillizza: What's the Trump defense?
Owens: In my opinion, there are no effective defenses that Donald Trump and/or his foundation can deploy to either the attorney general's petition or to federal tax charges. About the best he can do is plead ignorance of the law (generally ineffective with the sort of allegations being made) and to try to shift the blame to his accountants and attorneys (which will be factually difficult given Trump's personal involvement in many of the actions. It's unlikely, for example, that one of Trump's attorneys or accountants said that it is fine to contribute to the Florida attorney general's PAC or to buy a painting of himself and hang it in one of his clubs.)
Cillizza: How often do foundations get in trouble like this?
Owens: I am not aware of any other private foundation that has had the degree of involvement in a political campaign as the Trump Foundation has had; there are examples of foundations making grants for non-charitable purposes, foundation directors violating their fiduciary duties, foundation directors using foundation assets and funds for their personal benefit ("self-dealing"), but very few, if any, have demonstrated such a pattern of violation and of such variety. Harkening back to the closing observation in the report of the 1990 IRS audit project, the vast majority of foundations are considered by the IRS to be in general compliance with the tax law and state attorneys general would probably say the same thing about state charity law compliance.
Cillizza: Finish this sentence: "The most likely outcome of this case against the Trump Foundation is _____________." Now, explain.
Owens: In my view, the most likely outcome of the Trump Foundation matter is that a New York court will apply penalties and remove the current directors, but suspend dissolution of the foundation pending resolution of any federal charges (something that is required by New York law). With regard to federal issues, the IRS will have to decide whether to move for civil penalty excise tax sanctions against the foundation and its board or whether the criminal aspects will become a factor in Robert Mueller's investigation, thus leading to suspension of any federal civil tax investigation pending resolution of the criminal case. Of course, President Donald Trump could pardon himself and his family members for federal tax law violations, leaving the matter up to the New York courts to handle.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.msnbc.com/the-beat-with-ari-melber/watch/watergate-lawmaker-trump-systematically-abusing-power-1305295939834

Watergate lawmaker: Trump 'systematically' abusing power

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President Trump’s lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, says Trump asked about pardoning Paul Manafort, who has been convicted on 8 counts in the Mueller probe. Former Rep. Elizabeth Holtzman, who voted to impeach President Nixon, tells “The Beat” that Trump’s actions are reminiscent of Watergate and says Trump is “systematically, time after time” abusing the power of his office.


https://www.msnbc.com/the-beat-with-ari-melber/watch/watergate-lawmaker-trump-systematically-abusing-power-1305295939834

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paula Duncan the trump voter who was on the jury says trump should not pardon manafort.

http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/lawrence-trump-s-worst-week-as-top-allies-talk-to-feds-1306174019852


Lawrence: Trump’s ‘worst week’ as top allies talk to feds

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In one week, it was reported that three top Trump allies started cooperating with federal prosecutors and, for the first time, impeachment became a talking point on both sides of the aisle. Plus, a Manafort juror and Trump supporter warns Trump not to pardon Manafort.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-could-stopped-pardoning-113600934.html

Donald Trump Could Be Stopped From Pardoning Himself And His Family Over Mueller Investigation

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Steve Cohen, a longstanding Democrat Congressman for Tennessee, has introduced constitutional amendments which would stop Trump pardoning himself or his family for any of the fallout from the Mueller inquiry.

"Presidents should not pardon themselves, their families, their administration or campaign staff," Cohen said. "This constitutional amendment would expressly prohibit this and any future president, from abusing the pardon power."

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

got to love the right to free speech as the guy heckles the Manafort criminal lawyer for lying about what just happened in court. The jusdge rebuked the manafort people for saying this proves no cullusion and the layer tries to lie and free speech comes and the guy calls out the lying lawyer...

https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/watch/pardon-proofing-a-convicted-liar-cheat-and-perpetrator-of-fraud-from-trump-1457581123691

Pardon proofing a convicted liar, cheat, and perpetrator of fraud, from Trump



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Former assistant Director at the FBI Frank Figliuzzi, former Chief of Staff to VP Biden and Gore Ron Klain, WaPo’s Aaron Blake, former federal prosecutor Berit Berger, and MSNBC analyst Elise Jordan on the district attorney in Manhattan indicting Trump’s former campaign chairman Paul Manafort on the same day he gets sentenced to 7 and a half years in prison

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes maybe rudy will be indicted for illegal dangling a pardon to cohen... lock him up...

all in emails... hahahahaha

https://www.msnbc.com/11th-hour/watch/nyt-feds-want-info-on-cohen-s-back-channel-with-trump-lawyer-giuliani-1457765443793

NYT: Feds want info on Cohen's 'back channel' with Trump lawyer Giuliani
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Federal prosecutors reportedly have new questions about possible conversations between Trump's attorneys and Michael Cohen on the topic of pardons. Our panel discusses.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe this is an impeachable offense if true.

and again this is the same code Cohen referred to trump does and he gave to russia to attack an american presidential candidate.


Trump said he would pardon border official if he broke law by denying asylum-seekers

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President Donald Trump said he would pardon the top border official if he were to get arrested for breaking federal law by denying asylum-seekers entry into the U.S., according to CNN.
During his trip to the border at Calexico, California, last week, Trump told the head of Customs and Border Protection, Kevin McAleenan, that if he were sent to jail as a result of blocking immigrants from entering the country, the president would grant him a pardon, two senior administration officials told CNN.
McAleenan is now the acting secretary of the Department of Homeland Security.
During the visit, Trump told McAleenan that he wanted to close the border, prompting his pardon comment, The New York Times reported.
Under U.S. law, immigrants who say they fear returning to their native
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

again rudy telling cohen not to talk because he will be taken care of if he does not spill the beans... "you have FRIENDS in high places" gee what friend did this scumbag have in a high plce, only one, another scumbag.

https://www.vox.com/2019/3/14/18264261/mueller-trump-russia-news-cohen

Prosecutors asked for records on Michael Cohen pardon talks

Michael Cohen testifies to the House Oversight Committee on February 27, 2019. Alex Wong/Getty Images
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Meanwhile, there was a new development in the drama over whether the president’s allies floated a preemptive pardon to Michael Cohen last year — something that could theoretically amount to obstruction of justice.

Back in April 2018, after the FBI raided Cohen’s residence and office, he authorized his then-attorney to try to explore whether he could be pardoned (Cohen now admits). Around this time, per ABC News, two New York lawyers began talking to Cohen. They said they were in touch with Trump’s new lawyer Rudy Giuliani, and to some extent discussed getting Cohen a pardon.

Then on Wednesday, CNN’s Gloria Borger and Jeremy Herb obtained emails that one of those lawyers, Robert Costello, had sent to Cohen on April 21. “I spoke with Rudy. Very Very Positive. You are ‘loved,’” the email reads. “Sleep well tonight, you have friends in high places.”

Costello added that there were “some very positive comments about” Cohen from the White House, and that “Rudy noted how that followed my chat with him last night.” This apparently refers to these tweets from President Trump — which now look like a public signal to Cohen to stay loyal.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/6/17/1865346/-Breaking-SCOTUS-States-Feds-can-prosecute-for-similar-behavior?utm_campaign=trending

Breaking,Trump lost an escape route. SCOTUS: States & Feds can prosecute for similar behavior.

They aren't letting Trump off easy.


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In Gamble v. United States, #SCOTUS reaffirms “separate sovereigns” exception to Constitution’s double jeopardy clause; ruling means that federal and state governments can prosecute defendant for same conduct without violating Constitution

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This is big news. Anyone who gets a pardon from Trump can still be prosecuted on similar state charges.

Some commentators had thought that a court might take a knife to what's called the separate sovereign exemption where courts have ruled that state and federal governments are two distinct groups and that trying someone for similar crimes in both places would not violate the double jeopardy clause of the 5th Amendment to the US Constitution.

But the context here is that if the court ruled that this could be double jeopardy then you had the possibility of Trump issuing pardons that would cover federal law and this clearing you for being tried in state courts. But with the opinion of Justice Alito that will not happen.

Haven't read whole opinion but it was a 7-2 decision, with an unusual pair of Ginsburg and Gorsuch dissenting.

Hopefully others more well versed can offer an expert analysis.

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