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nw30



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some dems get it, but not many, this one has the balls to express it.
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Bob Kerrey: How did Department of Justice get the Trump-Russia investigation so wrong?
By Bob Kerrey Mar 29, 2019

Delusions fascinate me in part because I have so many of my own. Most often delusions are harmless. Sometimes they are not.

At the moment my fellow Democrats are suffering from two that are harmful. The first is that Americans long for a president who will ask us to pay more for the pleasure of increasing the role of the federal government in our lives. That this is a delusion can be seen in the promises made by six successful Democratic candidates in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan: three governors and three senators. Not one of them supported the Green New Deal, a tax on wealth or “Medicare for all.”

The second Democratic delusion is that Americans were robbed of the truth when Special Prosecutor Robert Mueller and Attorney General William Barr concluded that President Trump did not collude with Russia in 2016. All evidence indicates that the full report will not change the conclusion that Donald J. Trump did not collude with Vladimir Putin to secure his victory in 2016.
Rather than investigating the president further, Congress needs to investigate how the Department of Justice got this one so wrong. If the president of the United States is vulnerable to prosecutorial abuse, then God help all the rest of us. Members of Congress cannot do this themselves. We do not trust them enough with such a vital mission.

Congress should create a nonpartisan commission to find out what went wrong and to tell us what needs to be done to make certain it never happens again.

A commission to investigate the FBI needs to focus on four questions:

1. Has the law that gave the director of the FBI a 10-year term of office been sufficient to protect the appointee from political pressure to investigate potential crimes of candidates or elected officials? Neither Democratic nor Republican mobs should decide the outcome of our criminal justice system.

2. How can we write clear rules that govern the behavior of the candidate or officeholder? Tweets can and do stoke the fire of the mob. That is what they are intended to do. When the chief law enforcement officer encourages his audience to chant “lock her up,” this signals the FBI to follow the mob. When he sends out tweets that encourage law enforcement to investigate political opponents, this is also mob rule. Rules of acceptable behavior do not apply just to the president but to Congress as well. In the Twitter age, all of us need to understand when our candidate has crossed the line.

3. When is it appropriate for the FBI to begin an investigation? Once started, these things are hard to stop. A single campaign official suggesting the possibility of collusion with a foreign power or a document written as opposition research or a demand from a member of Congress are very thin reeds upon which to challenge the legitimacy of an elected official.

4. Are federal pardons justified? The commission needs the authority to examine whether some Americans were convicted and sentenced because they did not tell the truth about a collusion that never happened. The commission should be given the authority to recommend a pardon for anyone it believes was sentenced unjustly.

Our democracy will survive the hostility of Vladimir Putin. What it may not survive is distrust of our system of justice. At the moment that distrust is deep and wide. We need a nonpartisan national commission to tell us what has just happened and to advise us on what we need to do to keep it from happening again.

https://www.omaha.com/opinion/midlands_voices/bob-kerrey-how-did-department-of-justice-get-the-trump/article_7b68c700-f356-5cb8-8baf-bbbdc5375bf4.html
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nw30 wrote:
Some dems get it, but not many, this one has the balls to express it.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Bob Kerrey: How did Department of Justice get the Trump-Russia investigation so wrong?
By Bob Kerrey Mar 29, 2019

Our democracy will survive the hostility of Vladimir Putin. What it may not survive is distrust of our system of justice. At the moment that distrust is deep and wide. We need a nonpartisan national commission to tell us what has just happened and to advise us on what we need to do to keep it from happening again.

https://www.omaha.com/opinion/midlands_voices/bob-kerrey-how-did-department-of-justice-get-the-trump/article_7b68c700-f356-5cb8-8baf-bbbdc5375bf4.html


Not at all he is making these statements without the release of the report. And no democracy can be halted and not survive Putin, he even sends people to other nations to kill them for speaking the truth. And he definitely did elect trump, the data is there, trumps henchment went to foreign countries for clandestinne meeting to give very privalged confidential data to subvert america.

We need a partisan dem to do the investigation right. Put manafort in solitary confinement using a grand jury till he tells the entire truth. same with other ones. This was done by Starr and Kavanaugh on a 70 k land deal with Clinton years before he was president and he lost the money. his had nothing to do wilth treason.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmmm great point, ultra-partisan Starr and Kavanaugh went to the courts to have the grand jury info immediately released to Congress.

But Barr is not doing this. again one was over treason and one was over a personal lie that had no bearing on the Stars responsibility.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5tO_fRW_sA

Neal Katyal Calls Out Potential Trump Cover Up Of Mueller Report

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

real-human wrote:


We need a partisan dem to do the investigation right. Put manafort in solitary confinement using a grand jury till he tells the entire truth. same with other ones.

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Hate to break it to you, but this ain't Iran, China, or North Korea.
What's really hysterical, is that you're serious...…. Bunker logic.
You left out waterboarding them.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nw30 wrote:
real-human wrote:


We need a partisan dem to do the investigation right. Put manafort in solitary confinement using a grand jury till he tells the entire truth. same with other ones.

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Hate to break it to you, but this ain't Iran, China, or North Korea.
What's really hysterical, is that you're serious...…. Bunker logic.
You left out waterboarding them.


So far the DOJ, FBI, and State department under Obama acted like this is China or Iran.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hold on to your panties. SHTF coming soon.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nw30 wrote:
real-human wrote:


We need a partisan dem to do the investigation right. Put manafort in solitary confinement using a grand jury till he tells the entire truth. same with other ones.

Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
Hate to break it to you, but this ain't Iran, China, or North Korea.
What's really hysterical, is that you're serious...…. Bunker logic.
You left out waterboarding them.


hate to break it to you that is what you just did to Hillary for how many years? and did to Bill and Jimmy Carter. all ultra partisans and not one grand jury indictment and not a conviction.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MalibuGuru wrote:
Hold on to your panties. SHTF coming soon.


Bard's unreported source--Breitbart. Now there's a site whose only objective is riling up the Bard's of the world.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:
MalibuGuru wrote:
Hold on to your panties. SHTF coming soon.


Bard's unreported source--Breitbart. Now there's a site whose only objective is riling up the Bard's of the world.


Hahaha, Mac stop smoking crack. Those were the words of Barr, not Breitbart.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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