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GURGLETROUSERS



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could learn to kayak Bluefish. It's the obvious answer to getting out on the water in extreme winter conditions, provided the water isn't fully iced over. Snow, freezing water, who cares when snugly inside that cockpit, encased in thick winter wetsuit gear and thick mitts with nowt but eyes nose and mouth open to the elements. (You can wear a face mask if really extreme.)

You'll really build some arm, wrist, and hand muscles, including core body strength as you firmly grip that paddle shaft and lever to force your way against wind, currents, surf, or rapids. I have a friend who specialises in winter mountain rivers, but I prefer the sea. There is something magical in kayaking through a snow storm while toasty and fully protected in thick winter gear, as the snow piles up over both the top half of you, and the boat deck. I think it's the unmistakable contrast between outside, and inside.

You'll never ever suffer from weak arms and wrists again after a winter season of such. It beats to hell out of poncing about in a gym because it actually has some purpose. (To those who relish the challenge. Laughing )
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bluefish1



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your description sounds fabulous GT. However I would be competing with pickup trucks on top of 2 feet of ice as I kayak across the frozen surface.

For some reason my forearms are toast after a few runs when coming back. Anyone else experience this? Pull ups seem in order. Have tried curls to no avail.
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isobars



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bluefish1 wrote:
For some reason my forearms are toast after a few runs when coming back. Anyone else experience this? Pull ups seem in order. Have tried curls to no avail.

I have never done curls, yet have big biceps. Compound exercises (those involving multiple muscles and joints) are much more beneficial unless the purpose is competitive bodybuilding.

You might step back to the basic question: For what are you using your arms and hands so hard? Are you not relying 95% on your harness?
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bluefish1



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All the damage is done waterstarting and getting going. Once in harness and footstraps I have total rest
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manuel



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Relax your grip, only finger tips. Stick your butt out and bring shoulders overboard. Add more downhaul. Choose to be powered. Use a bigger board. Practice, practice, practice!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dllee wrote:
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Swing a baseball bat.
Use an axe and cut down some trees.


Think you have one mistake, we need trees. OTOH he could use said axe on pesky forumites

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nw30



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobody has mentioned wrist curls, which I do during the off season.
Sitting down, with your forearm lengthwise on you leg, palm up, holding a 5# dumb bell. The back of your wrist on the knee, slowly let the dumb bell roll down to your fingertips, over the knee, then roll it back up, making a fist, roll it up as far as you can. Just do that over and over again, you'll feel the forearm burn. It perfectly isolates the forearm and grip for strength training.
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isobars



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bluefish1 wrote:
All the damage is done waterstarting and getting going. Once in harness and footstraps I have total rest

Good! You're halfway there. The other half includes quicker waterstarts, aided by more power, bigger board and fin, and improved technique. Powered right and with the aid of Manuel's and others' waterstarting tips, waterstarting from neck deep to standing upright can take as little as one second*. If I have to WORK at it, I'll just sink back into the water and wait for a gust ... presuming one is coming soon. If it's not, it's time to rig bigger ... if you can get back to your gear, that is.

* Given plenty of power, you just throw the sail up into the wind and follow its momentum and the wind's power to stand up. With luck, TOW, practice, skill, and good power, you may even stand up already planing.

If not, you still have strength-saving options, including:
Hook in and let the hardware do the work. Once hooked in, the boom is primarily a place to hang our hands until we start maneuvering aggressively.
Pump lightly if necessary. This can be done by fanning the leech while hooked into your roller bar.
If heavy pumping is required, I'm back to waiting for a gust. If the wind is too light for a waterstart, it's too light to plane, in which case I prefer to relax in the water.

Remember, too, that waterstarting should involve more pushing (to get the sail as high as possible) than conscious pulling. Pushed high enough into enough wind, the sail does the pulling while we go along for the ride. It will let us know when there's enough power to waterstart easily. That's where grip strength and thus forearm muscles get unavoidably involved, and it's where the grip strength and endurance development tips above come into play.

I try to evaluate the power available by flicking water into the air if in doubt. You'll learn how to judge the available power by the arc the water describes relative to your sail size.
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grantmac017



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Overhand pull ups from a dead hang, no kipping.

Aim for 3-5 sets of 3-5 reps. If not possible hang for 30 seconds for 3-5 sets.

I do this after my regular free weight sessions as a sport specific activity.

Due to local conditions it's wavesailing in the winter (maybe 1 day a week) and B&J or foiling in the summer. So maintaining fitness during wave season is the biggest challenge.
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bluefish1



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks NW. Think that isolates it pretty good. That and a chin up bar and I should be good.
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