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techno900
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| Quote: | techno900 wrote:
Still no alternative plan from Mac - as expected, but now it seems that you imply that we should have stayed in place, so which is it, pull out or stay?
Clearly you don’t bother to read, and justify that with your distrust of media—and misplaced trust in the liar in chief. |
So Mr. know it all, you still seem unwilling or unable to make a decision. With someone SO well read, I would imagine you have a strong, well supported idea of how the situation could have been better managed. Plus I don't recall saying that Trump's decision was a good one, so no "misplaced trust" in the "liar in chief". All I wanted to know is what you would do since you think Trump's decision was a bad one. Clearly, you don't have an answer, you just obfuscate until we all are nauseated. |
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mac
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| Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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| techno900 wrote: | | Quote: | techno900 wrote:
Still no alternative plan from Mac - as expected, but now it seems that you imply that we should have stayed in place, so which is it, pull out or stay?
Clearly you don’t bother to read, and justify that with your distrust of media—and misplaced trust in the liar in chief. |
So Mr. know it all, you still seem unwilling or unable to make a decision. With someone SO well read, I would imagine you have a strong, well supported idea of how the situation could have been better managed. Plus I don't recall saying that Trump's decision was a good one, so no "misplaced trust" in the "liar in chief". All I wanted to know is what you would do since you think Trump's decision was a bad one. Clearly, you don't have an answer, you just obfuscate until we all are nauseated. |
Boy are you thick. I have said, repeatedly, that if Trump wanted to withdraw from a role in Syria, he should use the Department of State and Defense staff to develop a competent plan. That plan would involve consultation with our allies—including the Kurds to give them some warning. It would identify what was necessary in terms of military logistics to withdraw without leaving our assets behind for the Turks or Syrians. Instead we had to send bombers to blow those assets up. And so forth—asked and answered.
But most importantly, any person with real self-confidence doesn’t feel threatened asking the advice of people who may have insights he or she might benefit from, or specific knowledge that might affect their judgement. Trump talked to nobody in America. Didn’t even practice America second.
You can’t find any peanuts in Trump’s latest bout of loose lips and bowels. Don’t look to me to supply any. |
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vientomas
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| Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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| nw30 wrote: | | vientomas wrote: | More lies from Dump. Troops not coming home:
All US troops withdrawing from northern Syria are expected to be relocated to western Iraq, Secretary of Defense Mark Esper confirmed.
Mr Esper told reporters that, under current plans, about 1,000 soldiers would be redeployed to help stop the resurgence of Islamic State (IS).
President Donald Trump has previously pledged to bring US troops home.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-50117765 |
Does this mean you're disappointed that they are not coming home, even though they been relocated out of a war zone?
They still have duties to perform. |
President Donald Trump has previously pledged to bring US troops home.
Mr Esper told reporters that, under current plans, about 1,000 soldiers would be redeployed to help stop the resurgence of Islamic State (IS).
President Donald Trump has justified his apparent betrayal of Kurds in Syria by claiming that since the Islamic State militant group (ISIS) was defeated "badly and decisively"...
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-already-beaten-isis-decisively-syria-doesnt-want-bring-back-troops-1464586 |
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mac
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| Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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Vientomas—a very interesting posting—which will never be read by the peanut eaters and media distrusters. The Kurds had agreed to demilitarize the border—in return for U.S. support and protection against invasion. Oh, never mind says Rosanadanapotus.
There’s not much to choose between Erdogan and Assad. Assad is a butcher, and Erdogan has ended the secular Turkish state by pandering to Islamists. But Turkey absorbed 3.6 million Syrian refugees during the Syrian civil war, and it is understandable that they want most to return to Syria. Of the 22 million people in Syria before the civil war, 13 million have been displaced, mostly within the country, with another 1 million in Europe.
Preparing a plan to relocate 3.6 million Syrians back to Syria would require cooperation between the two countries and probably support from the U.S., but is exactly the thing that Departments of State are able to do. And the things that competent Presidents ask them to do. |
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MalibuGuru
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| Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:13 am Post subject: |
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The Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) said on Sunday, Oct. 20 they had withdrawn from the border town of Ras al Ain under a U.S.-brokered ceasefire deal.
Ras al Ain is one of two towns on the Turkish-Syrian border that have been the main targets of Turkey’s offensive to push back Kurdish fighters and create a more than 30 km (about 20 miles) deep “safe zone” inside Syria. |
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vientomas
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| Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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| MalibuGuru wrote: | The Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) said on Sunday, Oct. 20 they had withdrawn from the border town of Ras al Ain under a U.S.-brokered ceasefire deal.
Ras al Ain is one of two towns on the Turkish-Syrian border that have been the main targets of Turkey’s offensive to push back Kurdish fighters and create a more than 30 km (about 20 miles) deep “safe zone” inside Syria. |
As part of the cease-fire deal, Kurdish forces on Sunday pulled back from the border town of Ras al-Ayn on Sunday, paving the way for Turkish troops deployment in the area. Under the deal, the Kurds are to withdraw from a stretch of territory 120 kilometers (75 miles) along the border and 30 kilometers (19 miles) deep. Qamishli is east of that area.
A senior Kurdish official, Redur Khalil, said Monday his forces are complying with agreement and are preparing to complete the withdrawal. He called for an international mechanism to protect Kurdish civilians who want to stay in their towns after Kurdish-led fighters leave.
Most Kurdish civilians have fled Ras al-Ayn, fearing killings or repression by Turkish-backed forces, and any still in the territory that the Kurdish fighters are leaving are likely to do the same.
Khalil said Turkey continues to violate the cease-fire, accusing its troops of shelling a village at dawn and seeking to carry out military operations. He criticized the U.S. as guarantor of the cease-fire deal, saying it has not forced Turkey to adhere to it.
https://time.com/5705969/syria-withdrawl-potatoes/ |
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mac
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vientomas
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| Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 6:08 am Post subject: |
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The debacle continues. Excellent planning from Dump:
US forces that crossed into Iraq as part of a pullout from northeastern Syria do not have permission to stay and can only be there in transit, Iraq's military has said.
An Iraqi statement on Tuesday contradicted the Pentagon's announcement that all of the nearly 1,000 troops withdrawing from northern Syria are expected to move to western Iraq to continue the campaign against Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL, or ISIS) and "to help defend Iraq".
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/10/iraq-troops-leaving-syria-approval-stay-191022084630834.html |
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vientomas
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| Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 5:11 am Post subject: |
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Bring the troops home? Naahhhh...
The United States will station additional forces in eastern Syria to protect oilfields in another policy shift that one former senior American official called a "shocking ignorance" of history and geography.
The planned reinforcement will take place in coordination with the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) to prevent the oilfields from falling into the hands of Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL or ISIS), a Pentagon statement said.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/10/deploy-troops-eastern-syrian-secure-oil-fields-191025022517393.html |
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mat-ty
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| Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 7:38 am Post subject: |
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And how many Syrians were butchered while obama stood back and did nothing?????????
Barrel bombs and red lines .....ring a bell??????????? |
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