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mac
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 Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:28 am Post subject: |
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| mrgybe wrote: | | Several of you have accepted the troubling analysis presented by Mr. Veaux, which takes us back to Berkeley's 3 million dead, so it would be informative to gain a little more insight into Mr. Veaux. All I can find on him is his relentless promotion of multiple sexual partners and his serial abusive behavior to many of his own female partners, for which he has atoned by spending time in his "Accountability Pod" (hilarious!). Since Berkeley is an admirer of his and they are email buddies........unlike the thousands of others who received the exact same communication via social media (more resume enhancement?), perhaps he, or someone else here, will be kind enough to give us some details of Mr. Veaux's epidemiological credentials? Thank you. |
Boy do you have reading comprehension issues. A colleague of mine passes along this e-mail. Which includes a number of specific citations about the sublethal effects of COVID-19. I also posted the latest news from Britain that shows that immunity fades. I posted all of the e-mail, not merely the parts I thought were most pursuasive, so people could evaluate the source.
In your desperation to defend Trump, belittle the significance of the pandemic, and attack me, you ignored all substance. Instead you invented a scenario where I was an admirer of this guy.
What a sick cookie. We already knew you were a liar and spinner. |
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mac
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| Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 11:04 am Post subject: |
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This won't be read by apologists who strain to understand. But this is a list of the screw-ups by the Trump administration, from the Atlantic and written by Annie Lowrey.
| Quote: | Since the beginning of the coronavirus pandemic, President Donald Trump has railed against shutdowns and shelter-in-place orders, tweeting in all caps that “we cannot let the cure be worse than the problem itself” and pushing for employees to get back to work and businesses to get back to business. But the country has failed to get the virus under control, through masks, contact tracing, mass testing, or any of the other strategies other countries have tried and found successful. That has kneecapped the nascent recovery, and raised the possibility that the unemployment rate, which eased in May and June after nearly reaching 15 percent in April, could spike again later this year.
The economy seized in unprecedented terms this spring as states and cities mandated lockdowns. Hundreds of thousands of businesses closed, and millions of workers were furloughed or laid off. But instead of setting up a national viral-control strategy during this time, as other rich countries did, the United States did close to nothing. Congress underfunded disease research and contact-tracing efforts. No federal agency coordinated the procurement of personal protective equipment. Months into the pandemic, health professionals were still reusing masks for days at a time. The Trump administration punted responsibility for public-health management to the states, each tipping into a budgetary crisis. After a springtime peak, caseloads declined only modestly. Outbreaks seeded across the country. States reopened, and counts exploded again.
Now the economy is traveling sideways, as business failures mount and the virus continues to maim and kill. New applications for unemployment insurance, for instance, are leveling off at more than 1 million a week—more than double the highest rate reached during the Great Recession, a sign that more job losses are becoming permanent. After rising when the government sent stimulus checks and expanded unemployment-insurance payments, consumer spending is falling again, down 10 percent from where it was a year ago. Homebase, a provider of human-resources software, says that the rebound has hit a “plateau,” in terms of hours worked, share of employees working, and number of businesses open.
The next, terrifying phase of the coronavirus recession is here: a damaged economy, a virus spreading faster than it was in March. The disease itself continues to take a bloody, direct toll on workers, with more than 60,000 Americans testing positive a day and tens of thousands suffering from extended illness. The statistical value of American lives already lost to the disease is something like $675 billion. The current phase of the pandemic is also taking an enormous secondary toll. States with unmitigated outbreaks have been forced to go back into lockdown, or to pause their reopening, killing weakened businesses and roiling the labor market. Where the virus spreads, the economy stops.
....Young people, who tend to get less sick from the coronavirus than the elderly, appear to be driving today’s pandemic. But millions more are making it clear that they will not risk their life or the life of others in their community to go out. Avoidance of the virus, more so than shutdown orders, seems to be affecting consumer behavior.
...consider South Korea. With aggressive contact tracing and mass testing, it kept many of its commercial and educational facilities open as it quashed the pandemic. (The country has tallied just 288 deaths from COVID-19, compared with roughly 135,000 in the United States.) The unemployment rate there is 4.2 percent, and the economy is expected to contract just a small amount this year, due in part to falling exports. |
The potential devastation of this pandemic was, for those paying attention, clear in January. It required leadership and a sense of steely resolve comparable to that in wartime. It is ironic that some who admire Winston Churchill fail to see the lack of such leadership in Trump. (I take no responsibility.) For thoughtful people, it was always clear that economic recovery depended on tamping down the virus. For a country which prides itself in individual freedoms, sacrificing those freedoms, for a time, required belief in a larger societal good.
Instead of leadership in invoking the need for such sacrifices, we got more tribal division. |
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mrgybe
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| Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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| mac wrote: | | I posted all of the e-mail, not merely the parts I thought were most pursuasive, so people could evaluate the source. |
Let this be a warning to all of you gullible young things!! He who constantly asserts that conservatives have no interest in science, and who routinely mocks sources that don't fit his biases, posts a treatise by a serial girlfriend abuser, who is totally unqualified to comment, and makes no attempt to differentiate the parts he finds "pursuasive" (more traditionally known as "persuasive") and those he doesn't. That's why any of his thousands of posts should be treated with great suspicion. |
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vientomas
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| Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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| mac wrote: | | What a sick cookie. We already knew you were a liar and spinner. |
Perhaps his name should be: "Mr360gybe". Spinner! Get it?!  |
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nw30
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Location: The eye of the universe, Cen. Cal. coast
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| Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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| mrgybe wrote: | | mac wrote: | | I posted all of the e-mail, not merely the parts I thought were most pursuasive, so people could evaluate the source. |
Let this be a warning to all of you gullible young things!! He who constantly asserts that conservatives have no interest in science, and who routinely mocks sources that don't fit his biases, posts a treatise by a serial girlfriend abuser, who is totally unqualified to comment, and makes no attempt to differentiate the parts he finds "pursuasive" (more traditionally known as "persuasive") and those he doesn't. That's why any of his thousands of posts should be treated with great suspicion. |
And skepticism, a true 'fear farmer' who believes if it's in print on any of his favorite liberal sites, it has to be true, w/o question. |
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mac
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If mrgybe were really offended by “relentless promotion of multiple sexual partners” he would favor different politicians. As he always does, he picks a nit and ignores everything else.
Rarely in doubt, occasionally correct. Too busy moving goalposts to actually listen. |
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wynsurfer
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| Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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The ultimate irony..... A Trump supporter lecturing others about being gullible!!!!!!  |
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wynsurfer
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I seem to recall a certain someone sitting in the oval office who has abused women, has numerous rape allegations against him, cheated on every wife he ever had, fact. Fucked a pornstar when his wife was pregnant, and paid her off to keep quiet, Fact! Is a compulsive liar, failed businessman and has absolutely no qualifications for the job that he is miserably failing at.
So why would anyone trust trump?
Where is that great healthcare plan he said he had that would cover everyone and be cheaper than the A.C.A? Answer: He never had a plan obviously!
Gullible much??????? |
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mac
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You all notice that neither mrgybe nor NW disputed the dangerous sub-lethal impacts identified in my e-mail—but both attacked me. Standard Trump approach—divert, attack. You’ll also notice that mrgybe can’t identify anything significant that the Trump administration has done right to slow the infection. Of course, with the failures of the Trump administration—and many governors—clear, and Trump plunging in the polls there is nothing left to do except divert and attack. Trump won’t do anything, and has no clue about what would help either. Yesterday Florida and Texas, with nearly 14,000 and over 10,000 new cases, had more new infections than Italy on its worst day—6,553. The failure here is very clear.
Keep it up despicables—fewer and fewer people are fooled. |
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boggsman1
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| Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:45 am Post subject: |
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| mrgybe wrote: | | mac wrote: | | I posted all of the e-mail, not merely the parts I thought were most pursuasive, so people could evaluate the source. |
Let this be a warning to all of you gullible young things!! He who constantly asserts that conservatives have no interest in science, and who routinely mocks sources that don't fit his biases, posts a treatise by a serial girlfriend abuser, who is totally unqualified to comment, and makes no attempt to differentiate the parts he finds "pursuasive" (more traditionally known as "persuasive") and those he doesn't. That's why any of his thousands of posts should be treated with great suspicion. |
Looks like you’re about to crack 5000 posts of nothingness ...Just crafty smack downs of fellow wind lovers , no value here .. |
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