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Old sail material too stretched for stronger outhaul?
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dllee



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Garda was a blown out, vinyl bag when it was brand new.
Suitable for sub 15 mph breeze only, if you like draft shifty performance. Good for a day at the lake with the family, a decent rain and sunshade, and colorful.
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ittiandro



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dllee wrote:
Garda was a blown out, vinyl bag when it was brand new.
Suitable for sub 15 mph breeze only, if you like draft shifty performance. Good for a day at the lake with the family, a decent rain and sunshade, and colorful.


Yes, I have to agree with you.It served me decently in light winds, but it is time now to put it ..out of commission ( before I go myself out commission because of the age..) or.. use it as a decorative sun-shade tarp in my garden.
Any suggestions about a decent, reasonably priced brand to replace it, a 6-6.5 m2, rotational sail? I have a HSM 8 m2, Dacron made sail. I love Dacron, very light .

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dllee



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Garda can still be a good lightwind foiling sail.
Hot Sails is selling 2 used Superfreak 5.8"s for under $250.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2021 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you post a photo rigged up, always much easier to understand. Better yet a video!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2021 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Garda was half the price of any other sail offered by any other company.
Garda had deeper draft at the head than at boom height.
Garda was cheap, lightweight, great for beginners in light breeze, colorful, and had good durability.
Don't bother trying to make it into a performance sail.
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DanWeiss



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2021 3:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Old sail material too stretched for stronger outhaul? Reply with quote

ittiandro wrote:
I have an old NP 6.2 Garda sail, made of light Dacron, I believe. It is fine in light winds around 12 knts , however in stronger winds there is no way I can flatten it adequately. Even with the strongest possible outhaul, it still retains a deep shape that makes it heavy and sort of difficult to handle in stronger winds...
I begin to wonder if this is due to natural overstretching with time..

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Ittiandro


The sailing shape of all sails made of woven fabric only will become unmanageable. The term for this is “blow out” meaning that the individual threads and weave open up and slip. Unless recut, such a sail no longer maintains its skin tension nor responds as intended to internal seam shaping.

Your sail is toast. For what it’s worth, Mylar was laminated to Dacron in the mid-1980’s as a way to increase shape durability. This eventually led to all-Mylar sail panels (extruded polyester aka momofilm) and ultimately to the variety of laminate sails of today.

Superfreaks use a more advanced resin to hold the Dacron thread together. 20+
years of sailcloth advancement since the NP Garda.

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