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techno900



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now answer the question. Do the child tax credits motivate folks to return to work?

Two different issues: child tax credits & free child care and free universal preschool.

Even more reason to stay out of the labor force when the government will give you money plus free child care and preschool.

Do you think a family making over $400K needs child tax credits?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

techno900 wrote:
Now answer the question. Do the child tax credits motivate folks to return to work?

Two different issues: child tax credits & free child care and free universal preschool.

Even more reason to stay out of the labor force when the government will give you money plus free child care and preschool.

Do you think a family making over $400K needs child tax credits?


Techno.this may shock you but after insisting for 8 months, that the extra Covid relief money was a disincentive to return work, the September employment data refuted this quite dramatically. So, the idea that a couple grand a year to pay for child care also serves as a disincentive is ludicrous. The states that killed the additional aid early also saw ZERO uptick in employment....
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But that’s not what I heard on Fox!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lying about and not reporting taking money from foreigners.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/rep-jeff-fortenberry-indicted-for-lying-to-feds-about-30-000-campaign-contribution/ar-AAPJ1hf


Rep. Jeff Fortenberry Indicted for Lying to Feds About $30,000 Campaign Contribution


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Nebraska Representative Jeff Fortenberry was indicted by a grand jury on Tuesday after he allegedly lied to federal investigators about the source of a $30,000 campaign contribution.

Nebraska Congressman Jeff Fortenberry was indicted by a grand jury on Tuesday after he allegedly lied to federal investigators about the source of a $30,000 campaign contribution. Pictured: US officials including Rep. Jeff Fortenberry (R-NE) (C) and Congressman Gregory W. Meeks (R), senior Member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee arrive for the funeral of slain President Jovenel Moïse on July 23, 2021, in Cap-Haitien, Haiti© VALERIE BAERISWYL/AFP via Getty Images Nebraska Congressman Jeff Fortenberry was indicted by a grand jury on Tuesday after he allegedly lied to federal investigators about the source of a $30,000 campaign contribution. Pictured: US officials including Rep. Jeff Fortenberry (R-NE) (C) and Congressman Gregory W. Meeks (R), senior Member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee arrive for the funeral of slain President Jovenel Moïse on July 23, 2021, in Cap-Haitien, Haiti
The 60-year-old U.S. representative, who was elected to represent Nebraska's 1st Congressional District in 2005, was indicted on one count of scheming to falsify and conceal material facts and two counts of making false statements to federal investigators.


The charges stem from Fortenberry's alleged attempt to conceal information from authorities who were investigating a donation to the congressman's 2016 re-election campaign by a foreign billionaire, according to court documents.

Fortenberry is accused of lying to investigators on more than one occasion and misleading them during a federal investigation. Authorities believe that Lebanese-Nigerian businessman Gilbert Chagoury arranged for $30,000 to be contributed towards Fortenberry's re-election through other individuals during a Los Angeles fundraiser.

Under federal law, foreign nationals are prohibited from contributing to elections in the United States, and it is illegal for the source of campaign contributions to be hidden by using third-party conduits to funnel the money. It's also unlawful for a federal candidate to knowingly receive foreign donations or contributions through conduits.

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Chagoury entered into a deferred prosecution agreement with the U.S. Attorney's Office in 2019 and admitted to providing around $180,000 in illegal contributions to four American political candidates in different elections. He also agreed to cooperate with authorities and pay a $1.8 million fine.

According to the indictment, the cohost of Fortenberry's 2016 fundraiser, who is listed as Individual H in court documents, informed special agents with the FBI and IRS Criminal Investigation about the third-party contributions and started working with federal authorities in September 2016.

Investigators responded by examining whether the congressman's campaign did receive illegal funds and whether Fortenberry knew about the foreign and conduit contributions at the fundraiser. They also looked into whether Fortenberry knew about foreign funds from Chagoury and if they had any contact regarding the funds.

Two years later, Fortenberry contacted Individual H in the spring of 2018 to host another fundraiser. In June, Individual H allegedly told the congressman that an associate of Chagoury, Toufic Joseph Baaklini, provided him with $30,000 cash to go toward Fortenberry's campaign at the 2016 fundraiser.

Fortenberry did not amend the report with the Federal Elections Commission despite learning of the source of the campaign contributions, the indictment alleges. It continues that Fortenberry allegedly "knowingly and willfully falsified, concealed, and covered up by trick, scheme, and device material facts" after learning the truth of the illegal funds.

During a March 23, 2019 interview with investigators, Fortenberry allegedly made false and misleading statements despite being warned it was a crime to lie to the federal government.

According to the indictment, Fortenberry is accused of telling investigators he was not aware of Baaklini being involved in the campaign contributions and that all individuals who contributed to the 2016 fundraiser were publicly disclosed. The congressman also allegedly said he was not aware of contributions from any foreign national.

In another interview on July 18, 2019, Fortenberry allegedly made false statements denying any knowledge of unlawful contributions to federal investigators and prosecutors. Court documents also accuse him of denying Individual H said Baaklini provided $30,000 at the 2016 fundraiser and Fortenberry allegedly said he would be "horrified" to learn about illicit conduit donations.

During the same interview, the congressman allegedly said he ended the June 2018 call with Individual H after that individual made a "concerning comment," however the indictment states that Fortenberry continued asking Individual H to host fundraisers for his campaign.

Each of the three felonies Fortenberry's faces carry a maximum penalty of five years in prison. The congressman agreed to appear for an arraignment on October 20 in United States District Court in Los Angeles.

Newsweek reached out to the Department of Justice for comment.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Techno...here's another sensible explanation in case you're confused:
"More than 3 million people avoided work out of fear of catching COVID-19 in September, roughly the same number who avoided work for that reason back in June, before the delta variant had taken off. But 4 million said they were sick with the disease or caring for someone who was, up from 1.7 million in June, according to an analysis of federal survey data by Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Analytics."
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have such a discussion here, it's very cool!
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/he-s-looking-to-support-other-groups-because-rnc-is-paying-trump-attorneys/vi-AAR6paD?pfr=1


He's looking to support other groups because RNC is paying Trump attorneys


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A pair of payments the Republican National Committee made to a law firm representing former President Donald Trump is raising questions among former and current GOP officials about the party's priorities. CNN's Erin Burnett talks to longtime Republican donor Dan Eberhart.

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