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techno900



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now answer the question. Do the child tax credits motivate folks to return to work?

Two different issues: child tax credits & free child care and free universal preschool.

Even more reason to stay out of the labor force when the government will give you money plus free child care and preschool.

Do you think a family making over $400K needs child tax credits?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

techno900 wrote:
Now answer the question. Do the child tax credits motivate folks to return to work?

Two different issues: child tax credits & free child care and free universal preschool.

Even more reason to stay out of the labor force when the government will give you money plus free child care and preschool.

Do you think a family making over $400K needs child tax credits?


Techno.this may shock you but after insisting for 8 months, that the extra Covid relief money was a disincentive to return work, the September employment data refuted this quite dramatically. So, the idea that a couple grand a year to pay for child care also serves as a disincentive is ludicrous. The states that killed the additional aid early also saw ZERO uptick in employment....
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But that’s not what I heard on Fox!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lying about and not reporting taking money from foreigners.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/rep-jeff-fortenberry-indicted-for-lying-to-feds-about-30-000-campaign-contribution/ar-AAPJ1hf


Rep. Jeff Fortenberry Indicted for Lying to Feds About $30,000 Campaign Contribution


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Nebraska Representative Jeff Fortenberry was indicted by a grand jury on Tuesday after he allegedly lied to federal investigators about the source of a $30,000 campaign contribution.

Nebraska Congressman Jeff Fortenberry was indicted by a grand jury on Tuesday after he allegedly lied to federal investigators about the source of a $30,000 campaign contribution. Pictured: US officials including Rep. Jeff Fortenberry (R-NE) (C) and Congressman Gregory W. Meeks (R), senior Member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee arrive for the funeral of slain President Jovenel Moïse on July 23, 2021, in Cap-Haitien, Haiti© VALERIE BAERISWYL/AFP via Getty Images Nebraska Congressman Jeff Fortenberry was indicted by a grand jury on Tuesday after he allegedly lied to federal investigators about the source of a $30,000 campaign contribution. Pictured: US officials including Rep. Jeff Fortenberry (R-NE) (C) and Congressman Gregory W. Meeks (R), senior Member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee arrive for the funeral of slain President Jovenel Moïse on July 23, 2021, in Cap-Haitien, Haiti
The 60-year-old U.S. representative, who was elected to represent Nebraska's 1st Congressional District in 2005, was indicted on one count of scheming to falsify and conceal material facts and two counts of making false statements to federal investigators.


The charges stem from Fortenberry's alleged attempt to conceal information from authorities who were investigating a donation to the congressman's 2016 re-election campaign by a foreign billionaire, according to court documents.

Fortenberry is accused of lying to investigators on more than one occasion and misleading them during a federal investigation. Authorities believe that Lebanese-Nigerian businessman Gilbert Chagoury arranged for $30,000 to be contributed towards Fortenberry's re-election through other individuals during a Los Angeles fundraiser.

Under federal law, foreign nationals are prohibited from contributing to elections in the United States, and it is illegal for the source of campaign contributions to be hidden by using third-party conduits to funnel the money. It's also unlawful for a federal candidate to knowingly receive foreign donations or contributions through conduits.

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Chagoury entered into a deferred prosecution agreement with the U.S. Attorney's Office in 2019 and admitted to providing around $180,000 in illegal contributions to four American political candidates in different elections. He also agreed to cooperate with authorities and pay a $1.8 million fine.

According to the indictment, the cohost of Fortenberry's 2016 fundraiser, who is listed as Individual H in court documents, informed special agents with the FBI and IRS Criminal Investigation about the third-party contributions and started working with federal authorities in September 2016.

Investigators responded by examining whether the congressman's campaign did receive illegal funds and whether Fortenberry knew about the foreign and conduit contributions at the fundraiser. They also looked into whether Fortenberry knew about foreign funds from Chagoury and if they had any contact regarding the funds.

Two years later, Fortenberry contacted Individual H in the spring of 2018 to host another fundraiser. In June, Individual H allegedly told the congressman that an associate of Chagoury, Toufic Joseph Baaklini, provided him with $30,000 cash to go toward Fortenberry's campaign at the 2016 fundraiser.

Fortenberry did not amend the report with the Federal Elections Commission despite learning of the source of the campaign contributions, the indictment alleges. It continues that Fortenberry allegedly "knowingly and willfully falsified, concealed, and covered up by trick, scheme, and device material facts" after learning the truth of the illegal funds.

During a March 23, 2019 interview with investigators, Fortenberry allegedly made false and misleading statements despite being warned it was a crime to lie to the federal government.

According to the indictment, Fortenberry is accused of telling investigators he was not aware of Baaklini being involved in the campaign contributions and that all individuals who contributed to the 2016 fundraiser were publicly disclosed. The congressman also allegedly said he was not aware of contributions from any foreign national.

In another interview on July 18, 2019, Fortenberry allegedly made false statements denying any knowledge of unlawful contributions to federal investigators and prosecutors. Court documents also accuse him of denying Individual H said Baaklini provided $30,000 at the 2016 fundraiser and Fortenberry allegedly said he would be "horrified" to learn about illicit conduit donations.

During the same interview, the congressman allegedly said he ended the June 2018 call with Individual H after that individual made a "concerning comment," however the indictment states that Fortenberry continued asking Individual H to host fundraisers for his campaign.

Each of the three felonies Fortenberry's faces carry a maximum penalty of five years in prison. The congressman agreed to appear for an arraignment on October 20 in United States District Court in Los Angeles.

Newsweek reached out to the Department of Justice for comment.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Techno...here's another sensible explanation in case you're confused:
"More than 3 million people avoided work out of fear of catching COVID-19 in September, roughly the same number who avoided work for that reason back in June, before the delta variant had taken off. But 4 million said they were sick with the disease or caring for someone who was, up from 1.7 million in June, according to an analysis of federal survey data by Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Analytics."
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have such a discussion here, it's very cool!
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/he-s-looking-to-support-other-groups-because-rnc-is-paying-trump-attorneys/vi-AAR6paD?pfr=1


He's looking to support other groups because RNC is paying Trump attorneys


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A pair of payments the Republican National Committee made to a law firm representing former President Donald Trump is raising questions among former and current GOP officials about the party's priorities. CNN's Erin Burnett talks to longtime Republican donor Dan Eberhart.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pence-linked-group-launches-800k-ad-campaign-in-west-virginia-praising-manchin/ar-AARjRPn

Pence-linked group launches $800K ad campaign in West Virginia praising Manchin

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Aconservative group run by Marc Short, who served as former Vice President Mike Pence's chief of staff, is set to launch an ad campaign to encourage Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va) to oppose the $1.7 trillion social spending package in an attempt to stop it from being passed.

The Coalition to Protect American Workers is set to launch an ad campaign worth nearly $800,000 this week in West Virginia. According to NBC News, the ads will air over two weeks and will reiterate issues that Manchin has raised about the social spending package in the past.

"Families are worried yet Biden picks right now to try and raise taxes on hard-working West Virginia families while giving huge tax cuts to millionaires," one of the ads state. "Fortunately Joe Manchin's got our backs. He understands the importance of putting West Virginia people ahead of Washington politics. Tell Manchin keep fighting for us."

The House passed the Build Back Better Act earlier in November after months of negotiations between progressive and centrist Democratic lawmakers.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

florida power and light dark money

https://www.msnbc.com/american-voices/watch/how-ghost-candidates-helped-the-florida-gop-win-key-races-127918149702?cid=referral_taboolafeed

How ‘ghost candidates’ helped the Florida GOP win key races

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Two Florida Republicans face felony campaign fraud charges after running independent “ghost candidates” to draw votes from Democrats. “This is the laboratory… for what Republican control would look like in the whole country,” says MSNBC political analyst Fernand Amandi. He and Orlando Sentinel Senior Reporter Jason Garcia discuss the funding for this dark money scheme and why Governor DeSantis has yet to censure the culprits.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2021 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

from another thread here

what another ultra right wing trust funder controlling America.

https://businessinsider.mx/publix-heiress-gave-650000-groups-behind-jan-6-rallies-report-2021-12/?r=US&IR=T


A 72-year-old Publix heiress ‘addicted’ to Alex Jones and Infowars is under scrutiny for funding groups behind Jan. 6, report says


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Julie Fancelli, an heiress t0 the popular Publix supermarket chain, lives a low-key life out of the public eye mainly in Italy. But the 72-year-old is now coming under scrutiny by the House Select Committee investigating the money trail behind the January 6 insurrection, the Washington Post reports.

Fancelli, a prominent high-dollar donor to Republican groups and causes, gave at least $650,000 to groups that organized the rallies in Washington protesting Congress affirming President Joe Biden's 2020 election victory and spent money urging Trump supporters to attend such rallies, based on new tax records revealed by the watchdog group CREW and the Post.

Fancelli gave $200,000 to a group called State Tea Party Express that went to ads encouraging Republicans to protest at the Capitol on January 6, tax filings obtained by the Post show. That sum is on top of a previously reported $300,000 donation to Women For America First, one of the organizers of the January 6 rally at the Ellipse, and a $150,000 donation to a nonprofit offshoot of the Republican Attorneys General Association.

The supermarket chain is now distancing itself from Fancelli's donations under the mounting scrutiny from Congress. As Publix is a private company, it is unclear how large of a stake Fancelli holds in the company, as the Post noted. Fancelli, one of Publix founder George Jenkins' seven children, has never worked directly for the company or served on its board.

The company said in a statement to the Post that it "cannot control the actions of individual stockholders" and is "deeply troubled by Ms. Fancelli's involvement in the events that led to the tragic attack on the Capitol on January 6."

Fancelli did not immediately respond to Insider's request for comment to email addresses associated with her. She seldom speaks publicly about her political involvement but said in February that she "would never support any violence, particularly the tragic and horrific events that unfolded on January 6th."

Associates of Fancelli told the Post that as Fancelli got more politically active in giving large sums of money to Republican causes, she became particularly obsessed with the right-wing conspiracy theorist Alex Jones (who has been subpoenaed by the January 6 panel) and his show Infowars.

Fancelli frequently sent Alex Jones and Infowars links about the 2020 election to friends and family in the days and weeks prior to January 6, sources told the Post. She and Jones also spoke by phone on at least one occasion between December 27, 2020 and January 1 after reaching out to his team to ask how she could better support his efforts to overturn former President Donald Trump's election loss.

"I am not tantalized by that fellow, but apparently she is, and a lot of other people are addicted, to the detriment of the country," Barney Barnett, Fancelli's brother-in-law, told the Post. "Julie is one of the finest people I know, and I am sorry she got tied up with this guy."

One person familiar with contacts between the Republican National Committee and Fancelli described her to the Post as "basically just a right-winger, smarter than a lot of donors, but has an affinity for Alex Jones and conspiracy theories and that sort of thing."

Caroline Wren, another figure of interest who has been subpoenaed by the January 6 select committee, facilitated the donations between Fancelli and the group, the Post reported.

"The funding behind the First Amendment rally at the White House Ellipse was entirely lawful and consistent with the rights Ms. Fancelli has as an American citizen," Wren told The Post.

The new revelations about Fancelli's donations may help the January 6 committee put together more of the puzzle pieces behind the funding and organization of the rally and march to Capitol that preceded the insurrection on the Capitol.

Ali Alexander, a prominent organiz
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