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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/brainstorming-a-coup-meadows-text-reveal-the-anatomy-of-trump-s-big-lie/ar-AAWFoSN?ocid=EMMX&cvid=390020812dee4e0ab70935454c727213
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Brainstorming a coup: Meadows' text reveal the anatomy of Trump's Big LievThere was much that was compelling about Monday's CNN dump of another couple thousand coup-related Mark Meadows texts into the public domain. We learned Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., can't spell and that former Secretary of Energy Rick Perry apparently signs his text messages with his name and phone number. But while the linguistic faux pas of people conspiring to overthrow democracy are entertaining, I must confess that what I found most riveting and illuminating was the way the texts pulled back the curtain on how Republicans generate their lies.
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Meadows' texts offer a glimpse into the apparently routine Republican brainstorming sessions about which false narratives they knowingly plan to inject into the conspiracy theory dissemination machine anchored by Fox News and social media. We see this in the flurry of texts that were spread around on January 6, 2021, when Donald Trump's co-conspirators began to realize that the violence of the insurrection was hurting their efforts at justifying the coup. Trump aide Jason Miller texted Trump's social media manager and Meadows his ideas for "tweets from POTUS." They included a conspiracy theory blaming the violence on "ANTIFA or other crazed leftists" and falsely accusing the media of "trying to blame peaceful and innocent MAGA supporters for violent actions." As the CNN reporters wrote, "Trump's allies in Congress appeared to get the message." In real-time, you can see them workshopping the details of this conspiracy theory, inventing details like how "Antifa dressed in red Trump shirts."
RELATED: Newly revealed Mark Meadows texts appear to contradict denials by Marjorie Taylor Greene, Rick Perry
Republicans may not be able to spell good, but holy crap, they are masters at generating disinformation, often on the fly, that will go viral among their followers. Of course, they are aided heavily by having a follower base that doesn't care what is true or what is false. The average Republican voter now happily parrots obvious lies, glad to be of service to the larger fascist cause.[/quote]
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note this is a trump appointed judge
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/5/2/2095255/-A-federal-judge-has-just-made-it-a-whole-lot-harder-for-those-evading-the-Jan-6-probe?detail=emaildkre
A federal judge has just made it a whole lot harder for those evading the Jan. 6 probe
| Quote: | A federal judge has ruled in favor of the Jan. 6 committee and has found that the Republican National Committee (RNC) cannot hide information about marketing materials it used to further ex-President Donald Trump’s lies about fraud in the 2020 election.
The decision was handed down by Trump appointee U.S. District Judge Timothy Kelly and stems from a lawsuit that the party apparatus filed in response to a subpoena for records from investigators in February.
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Not only did Kelly find that the RNC must soon part with some of its records barring a successful appeal, but critically, Kelly also tore asunder the most often used legal arguments by opponents to the investigation by affirming that the Jan. 6 committee is properly constituted and that its subpoenas have full legal effect.
Related: RNC really wants to keep Trump campaign data away from Jan. 6 probe
The RNC, according to the 53-page opinion, will have a chance to appeal by May 5, so the records will not be transmitted immediately.
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Investigators were specifically after materials the RNC sent out through massive software vendor Salesforce from Election Day 2020 through Jan. 6, 2021. They argued that reviewing this would give the panel a chance to determine the breadth and depth of the RNC’s push to its supporters about Trump’s “Big Lie.”
In March, a spokesman for the committee, Tim Mulvey, defended the panel’s lawsuit succinctly.
“These emails encouraged supporters to put pressure on Congress to keep President Trump in power,” Mulvey said.
The RNC sued to stop the subpoena issued to Salesforce, claiming gross overreach. They argued that compliance would give the Jan. 6 probe an “all-access pass” to confidential party strategies, fundraising appeals, and other sensitive member information.
Related: Republican National Committee sues to stop Jan. 6 subpoena
But Kelly on Sunday disagreed.
In fact, he wrote, the Jan. 6 committee is not asking them to go about “producing any disaggregated information about any RNC’s donors, volunteers, or email recipients, including any person’s personally identifiable information.
“Moreover even the RNC’s own confidential information that is undeniably at issue is relatively narrow in scope,” he continued.
The suggestion that the initial subpoena from investigators exploring the Jan. 6 attack is little more than a bald attempt to expose competing inner party workings was shot down, too.
Kelly did acknowledge, however, that those sentiments may very well be reasonable “given the obvious political dynamics involved” of the day and the “unusual” circumstances and demands now present in this “exceedingly rare spectacle of a congressional committee subpoenaing the records of one of our country's two major political parties."
Nonetheless, there are still several conflicts within the RNC’s attempt to stop the transfer of records and discredit the panel.
In short, Kelly explained that the Jan. 6 committee is properly authorized and rightfully constituted to do its work because its members were lawfully appointed and are valid representatives on a special committee that operates within the confines of the legislative branch.
There was also an explicit win tucked into the ruling for Liz Cheney, the Wyoming Republican who has borne seemingly endless political attacks since disavowing Trump’s incitement of an insurrection at the Capitol.
In the myriad reasons the RNC claimed the subpoena was unenforceable, it cited a line from the select committee’s authorizing resolution, or in simpler terms, what amounts to its founding charter.
The authorizing resolution notes that Committee Chair Bennie Thompson, when issuing a subpoena, must consult with the body’s “ranking minority member.” The RNC argued that Cheney, despite being the most senior Republican on the probe, was not officially given the title of “ranking minority member,” therefore making the subpoenas bunk.
But again, Kelly found otherwise.
“True, for whatever reason the select committee did not give her—or anyone else—the formal title ‘ranking member.’ But to the extent there is any uncertainty about whether she fits the bill, on this record the Court must defer to the select committee’s decision to treat Representative Cheney as the ranking minority member for consultation purposes,” he wrote.
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Sunday’s ruling is important for the committee because it further dilutes most contentions put forward by a wide array of Jan. 6 investigation critics and targets alike, from Republican House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy who has blasted the committee since its inception, to former Trump administration officials like Peter Navarro who have dubbed the body a partisan witch hunt comprising “domestic terrorists.” |
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I shake my head in disgust every time I read about Americans held in Russian prison for years for petty -- if any -- offenses. I think, "What's wrong with these uberpolitical countries?"
Then the reality sinks in of people being held in prison, sometimes even solitary confinement, for years for similar -- if any -- offenses in the United States of America. Sure, some Jan 6 individuals were rowdy -- some even damaged or stole some property -- but considering what BLM and Antifa did in 527 blazing and sometimes deadly riots openly permitted by the legal system, what does it take besides supporting Trump for president to warrant years in solitary? |
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isobars
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I shake my head in disgust every time I read about Americans held in Russian prison for years for petty -- if any -- offenses. I think, "What's wrong with these uberpolitical countries?"
Then the reality sinks in of people being held in prison, sometimes even solitary confinement, for years for similar -- if any -- offenses in the United States of America. Sure, some Jan 6 individuals were rowdy -- some even damaged or stole some property -- but considering what BLM and Antifa did in 527 blazing and sometimes deadly riots openly permitted by the legal system, what does it take besides supporting Trump for president to warrant years in solitary? |
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isobars
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| Oh, go fix yourself, iW. |
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swchandler
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Thoughtful folks know that the BLM and Antifa BS offered by isobars is a total pantload.
The rioters that stormed the US Capital on January 6, 2021 should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law for what they did. No exceptions, and that should include those that were responsible for promoting and inciting the insurrection, and that would encompass Donald Trump and his crew of cronies both in and out of government. |
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| And those who committed crimes in protests about the murder (see how Isobars can’t bring himself to admit that) of George Floyd should be prosecuted. But the facts are, that most charges have been dropped and the police have settled numerous cases for harassment. |
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SAS
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Facts matter little to those like Isouninformed who get all their news from sources like Fox and other biased sites. Less than 40 of these traitors are still in jail, and while their cells are solitary they spend several hours every day outside of the cell, interacting with each other, and sharing their crazy ideas with each other, maybe even planning their next attack on our country. The news that many were in solitary confinement is well over a year old and out of date, just like many of Iso’s other beliefs.
Over 800 people have been charged in the Jan 6 treason. 271 have pleaded guilty and a few others have been found guilty in trial. Only one was found not guilty, by a judge appointed by Trump.
As the facts show, these people are NOT innocent and deserve conviction and punishment. Likewise, people who caused property damage or harmed others in BLM protests deserve conviction and punishment. At least the BLM protests were protesting real racism and murders by police, unlike the Capitol traitors who were protesting lies and fantasies. However, this does not justify violence or property damage. Also, some of the BLM crimes have been proven to have been caused by right wing agitators trying to discredit the BLM movement. None of the Capitol traitors have been found to be anything but nutty MAGA fans.
Iso’s attitude is that BLM crimes justify the Jan 6 traitors. I guess Iso’s parents didn’t teach him “two wrongs don’t make a right.”
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/most-arrests-capitol-riots-misdemeanor-225235647.html
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/capitol-riot-are-hundreds-of-defendants-still-in-jail/65-dffb1d7e-089a-4406-ae4e-c54748e11953
https://www.washingtonian.com/2022/01/05/the-january-sixers-have-their-own-unit-at-the-dc-jail-heres-what-life-is-like-inside/
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vientomas
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Of course Iso will not accept well reasoned analysis from anyone leaning left who believe BLM protesters should be prosecuted because Iso cannot wrap his pin head around the fact that the "left" is not made up of people who all think the same.
Iso likes to put people into little boxes and make assumptions about them based on the box he puts them in. Tis a small mind that Iso demonstrates on this forum.
Crime is crime and should be prosecuted accordingly no matter race, creed, color or ideology. Clearly, Iso would not agree as he views his right wing compatriots charged in the insurrection as victims. I have no difficulty saying that any BLM protesters who broke laws should be prosecuted. Maybe that's the difference between Iso and myself, I believe in the rule of law. Clearly, he does not. |
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SAS
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vientomas
I totally agree. You nailed it. |
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