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jp5
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| It even beats drinking...but not by much. |
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nealpar
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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Windsurfing, followed by coctails....now that's a good combo.
How about windsurfing, followed by coctails, followed by [ ??? ] = a perfect day!
Each can fill in the [blank] with their own.
For Jpbassking, it's gotta involve some ointment...for his ruptured eardrum that is....and let's throw in a mast too........ 
BTW, how is that ear jp? |
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gregorvass
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| windsurfing.....maitai's....lab-dances....hhhhhmmmm |
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capetonian
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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| gregorvass wrote: | | lab-dances |
Whatever dancing you want to do in your lab is totally up to you, Mr Mad Scientist! |
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rowena
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | windsurfing.....maitai's....lab-dances....hhhhhmmmm |
I have this visual image of Gregor dancing with a black labrador retriever, and I can't get it out of my mind.
I think I'll go have a vodka...
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dabull1
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:28 am Post subject: Dog days |
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| I prefer illegally immigrated tequila, as do all proper Leocons! Good video Gregor... kinda reminds me of Leo over Labor Day. Rowena, my vision was of Gregor with a big ol' bumbly yellow lab in his lab... ummm? Bull |
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jp5
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:21 am Post subject: |
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Nealpar - my ear is better. The mast...that's gonna take a bit longer. 
Sailing + cocktails + jacuzzi = zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
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isobars
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| swchandler wrote: | isobars,
While you have relentless attacked Hillary Clinton's past and present proposals for national heath care, particularly focusing on the tax costs for such plans, I'm curious how you rationalize all the hundreds of billons of dollars spent on the war in Iraq (with no end in sight). Money that I and others would have preferred to spend on other infinitely more worthwhile ventures. Please remember that I suggested a much more worthy cause in an earlier post here. Really, something I feel is much more visionary in nature. Sadly, oil isn't the true future for the US and the world.
It must be recognized that the war in Iraq must be paid for, and I'm afraid that has not been done in a direct and responsible way by the current administration. Unbelievably, Bush is actually letting wealthier folks off the hook based on smoke and mirror type nonsense. We're bleeding dollars in a huge way and building an absolutely huge deficit, but you don't seem to be too annoyed about it. Seems kind of sick to me, because its actually happening and so little is being done.
The thing that truly amazes me is that you're off the map about a healthcare proposal that doesn't even exist yet in the US. In reality, much ado about nothing. |
It’s not just I who’s condemning Hillarycare or any of its socialized medicine clones (that’s not a slam; its dictionary definition is health care regulated by the government at public expense); it’s much of the informed world. Do you not realize how many of those 45M uninsured U.S. citizens CHOSE or even STILL CHOOSE to be uninsured and how badly socialized medicine works unless funded by absolutely absurd tax levels (Swedes, for example, pay about 260% of the taxes I do)?
Hundreds of billions of dollars would be cheap if it shut down radical Islam. Already the war on terrorism has thwarted worse attacks than 9/11. Many, including most soldiers waging the war, would argue that the tens of thousands of American civilian lives (known terrorist attacks on U.S. soil already averted) saved by counterattacking the enemy and the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians Saddam didn’t get to kill since 2002 are worth the cost. My president, whether Democrat or a Republican, is absolutely welcome to my share of the military’s meager 4 percent of our GDP. If it will keep our enemies the hell out of our face, I’ll triple my share.
Would you rather we concede defeat to radical Islam and let it slaughter millions of innocent Muslims and then turn its attention to your children, or try a little longer to prevent Iran, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan (maybe even Saudi Arabia, I might guess) from coalescing into a contiguous nuclear terrorist power controlling most ME oil and possibly led by a lunatic who promises to immediately eradicate Israel and ultimately convert or kill your countrymen? Many globally informed authors and pundits think those are our primary choices: fight or surrender. Your poll-driven party leaders chose the latter a couple of years ago, to the handsprings of the terrorist world. Apparently they didn’t learn one damn thing when the left wing press and politicians gave Southeast Asia to North Viet Nam.
Over a dozen alternatives to Middle Eastern oil, many with significant promise, are obvious. Every one has been vehemently opposed by left wing politicians and/or environmental zealots. If any alternatives look economically valid and escape left wing opposition, you better believe capitalist companies will develop them; nobody’s stopping them, just as nobody’s stopping the private sector from stem cell research. (Didja know the very exhaust of a perfectly tuned hydrogen car is water vapor … the primary greenhouse gas?) Oil may not be the distant mainstay of the free and modern world, but it is its lifeblood for the next few generations, during which radical Islam must be held at bay.
Besides, what good is ME oil independence, or even tabletop fusion energy, when your son is beheaded because he criticized hypothetical future President (now Congressman) Ellison and your granddaughter is machine gunned for not wearing her burka? He does advocate Sharia law in the U.S., you know.
On the contrary, I’d say the war has been funded in a direct and responsible way, the way it must be done. The administration and the Congress investigate the threat and its global evidence, the generals on scene estimate their needs, the president does what we elected him for (i.e., decides what he believes is right), the president requests money based on same, the Congress votes, and the money flows or stops. That’s how the system was designed by our forefathers, and it works pretty well considering who runs it … POLITICIANS. The only worse boss, one which the forefathers feared most and railed against at length, was the uninformed, emotional, fickle, mob known as [insert “JAWS” sound effects here] THE PUBLIC, aka public opinion polls, aka that insane driverless runaway truck known as a democracy. Can you imagine the erratic, uninformed, knee-jerking, biased-press-driven, emotional farce we’d have if our leader thought s/he should let public opinion polls determine his/her courses of action? That frightening possibility is why we are a Republic, not a Democracy.
“Bush is letting wealthy off the hook”? 2003 IRS data shows that the top 1 percent of taxpayers, ranked by adjusted gross income, paid 34.3 percent of all federal income taxes that year. The top 5 percent paid 54.4 percent, the top 10 percent paid 65.8 percent, and the top 25 percent paid 83.9 percent. The share of total income taxes paid by the wealthy has risen even as statutory tax rates have fallen sharply. A growing body of international data shows the same trend.
… and “nothing is being done [about the soaring deficit]” Uh, the deficit is dropping way ahead of predictions, despite an unexpected trillion-dollar attack on our soil and a comparable war, because Bush’s tax cuts primed the capitalist pump. OTOH, the new Democrat budget is the biggest tax increase in history. You better start hiding most of your income under your mattress, ‘cause the market, jobs, and he economy are heading south like a Canadian Christmas goose on speed if that disastrous budget is implemented. 80%of corporations polled said they would pull THEIR (not OUR) outsourced jobs back to the U.S. if taxes were eliminated (so they could better compete).
I don’t know whether “off the map about a healthcare proposal that doesn't even exist yet in the US” means that my opinions on it are wrong (always a possibility with any opinion) or that I’m overexcited about a yet unknown program.
In the first case, they’re not just MY opinions. Hundreds of millions would agree that treatment rationing and denial, turning over bedsheets between patients to save laundry costs, the Canadian Prime Minister condemning their crumbling system, one-year wait times for care, total failure and angry rejection of Hillarycare in states that have tried it, not to mention money being taken at gunpoint from we who earned it to buy insurance for those who chose not to buy it so they can become ever more dependent on the dole … er ... the gum’mint ... are not plusses for universal health care. You guy do know, don'tcha, that an important reason people in many countries outlive us statistically, especially in infant mortality, is that they take very different different stats than we do, including their not counting dead babies. Other nations are also not as obese as ours is; our present younger generation may be the first in modern history to die younger than its parents did.
In the second case, universal health care is not an unknown even though no Democratic candidate is yet elected (God forbid!). Hillarycare has been their official model since the early ‘90s, Hillary herself said any plan implemented will look very much like her original plan, and even the common features most candidates have announced scare and disgust many anti-socialists. Do you really want your children’s health to be managed to the nth degree by the same people who run the Post Office, the DMV, and FEMA? Anyone who considers the outcry against socialized medicine (sorry, but I don’t do euphemisms [can’t believe somebody said I dodge issues like Ahmadinejad does, after scores of complaints that I’m too direct]) to be “much ado about nothing” is not paying attention to its relative lack of need, its near-total government control over your family’s health, its promulgation and expanse of the public’s ever-increasing dependency on the government, its INCREDIBLE cost rise when it becomes “free”, and the level of care we’re likely to see when bureaucrats get to overrule physicians. When I DO let the VA -- my source of socialized medicine -- treat me for anything significant, I spend days to months researching the medical issues and hand-pick university teaching hospital surgeons to do any significant cutting -- something Hillarycare criminalized and only the ensuing uproar may prevent next time. Those steps should not be necessary, but they have saved me from more than you want to hear about. |
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isobars
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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| rowena wrote: |
1. We are living, everyday, the ramifications of the Conservative, war-mongering P.O.V., thanks to Bush/Cheney/Rove.
2. We don't have to "research" what is shoved down our throat.
3. Attitudes like yours are responsible for the nearly 4,000 American deaths in Iraq, and counting. Did these deaths accomplish anything, considering we'll most likely pull our troops out within the next year? It will be a sad, tragic aftermath, similar to the mourning and national depression the nation felt after Vietnam ended in 1975.
4. As for a national health care system, look at required auto insurance. It's a pain in the ass, but it has worked |
1. Tens of thousands of us are living every day PARTLY BECAUSE OF Bush/Cheney. Those ramifications include the prevention of countless averted terrorist attacks, including a dozen crowded airliners raining down on U.S. cities and a gassed stadium in California.
2. They couldn't ram "it" down our throats if we researched "it" and prevented "it". GW? Political BS that is may cost much more money and will cost WAY more loss of U.S. individual freedoms than the Iraq War will ever cost, but only if voters do no research and LET the left ram it down our throats. Ditto socialized medicine, total amnesty for illegal aliens (score One for talk radio), totally open borders, tax raises, etc. I'll bet many of you even think the Fair Tax is a bad thing, simply because you won't read up on it from factual sources. SURELY the poll showing that 19% of Democrats believe the world will be better off if we lose the Iraq war and 20% more DON'T KNOW indicates incomprehensible ignorance due to lack of research, rather than even more incomprehensible, world-class STUPIDITY.
3. No, those deaths were caused by radical Islamic terrorists whose next target, after they slaughter a few million Iraqis, is Israel, followed ASAP by your countrymen. Yet you inexplicably support waving a white flag, bending over, and kissing your ass goodbye.
4. Oh, yeah, THAT'S a great parallel. Tens of millions of uninsured scofflaws -- up to 90% of the driving public in some inner cities -- bouncing off your car in drunken/stoned glee, is comparable to a bureaucrat bean-counter telling you how to treat your daughter's brain cancer?
This stuff requires more of three things I see little evidence of -- facts, thought, and logic -- and less of one thing I see most ... uninformed emotional knee-jerking.
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