Coyote point. Almost violent confrontation

madspaniard · Joined: 23 May 2005 Posts: 380

good call boggsman, heading out that way too

windwiner · Joined: 26 Jun 2002 Posts: 128 Location: Berkeley

This post is seriously sad. Street fighting, knives (someone even managed to make the juvenile move of bringing the windsurf vs. kitesurf nonsense into it)? Give me a break. You sound like your sitting around a frat house. I can’t believe you are all the same people who I share this amazing sport with; I don't think half of you deserve to be windsurfers, surfers or fishermen for that matter.
What is equally sad is that at this point in time when we are struggling to raise the money to protect Coyote point someone would post a topic warning people about violent confrontation at this launch. I am not saying that you didn't experience what ever the hell happened, but your timing, choice of words and general message is really not what anybody needs to hear right now. We should be encouraging people to get out to Coyote, donate to the sandbagger fund, pay the entrance fee or annual entrance fee and make sure anything to do with Coyote is positive.

jp5 · Joined: 19 May 1998 Posts: 3394 Location: OnUr6

windwiner · Joined: 26 Jun 2002 Posts: 128 Location: Berkeley

Sorry flare guns AND pepper spray. What fun.
I'm going sailing. See you out there, with out any of those.

Epenrose · Joined: 05 Nov 1997 Posts: 402

Forget it.

I going to fort point where people are friendly, hospitable and warm at all times. Oh crap, wrong place...

Anyone remember the good old days when the crazy from the stick jumped on the sales guy at the old windsurf warehouse on airport blvd. Crew had to pull him off.

I am off to piss some fisherman off. Oi dickhead move your lines, hey like marriage the best defense is an offense.

Mind you that 90% lead tainted fish looks mighty tasty, hmmm, a little bbq after sailing....

otgmail · Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 18

swchandler · Joined: 08 Nov 1993 Posts: 10588

Really, I think that otgmail and madspanard have got a truly realistic and pragmatic outlook here. You can never guess how crazy someone can be. Believe me, you can be totally surprised how nuts some folks are, and how that might affect their actions. If they just happened to have a gun, it doesn't matter how macho you might want to be. You could be toast in an instant.

Epenrose, you need to chill a bit. Sometimes I've noted that you're not seeing the real picture. You might be a total stud, and want to show that off, but others may not see the scene the same way. I don't think that otgmail acted unreasonably under the circumstances.

Frankly, I don't think any reasonable and responsible person should worry needless about the affecting the policeman's day. Hey, they're being paid to respond to public interests and problems that might affect the practical balance. Really, I hope that most negative circumstances vaporize and vanish without a negative incident. That's really a more positive outcome overall. I'd prefer that troublesome events aren't a major problem that involve life or death outcomes.

johnl · Joined: 05 Jun 1994 Posts: 1330 Location: Hood River OR

I have to admit I'm wasn't getting Epenrose's attitude either. I normally don't bring job experience into these things, but after being a cop for over 26 years I have a bit of 'insider knowledge'.

A person is acosted and threatened by a person. That in itself is against the law. otgmail uses his head and call the authorities to handle the situation (I think the local police would have been the proper call, not the coast guard, but perhaps they could relay the information). That is what you are SUPPOSED to do. By handling it yourself you have no control over the outcome. You don't know what the other guys problem is, or what his frame of mind is. He could have just killed his family and decided to go down to the beach to clear his head. Do you really want to be the person who pisses him off???? The simple facts are these things happen all the time. People don't get along and the authorities have to come in. It was different a long time ago, but the pressures of modern life tend to bring the worse out of people.....

Oh yeah, I would have LOVED to been able to go down to the beach today but unfortuntely I was stuck there till 7pm babysitting some speaker from a bunch of protestors. And it was blowing over 25 at Berkeley Sad

mtnview · Joined: 02 Jul 2002 Posts: 53

jp5 · Joined: 19 May 1998 Posts: 3394 Location: OnUr6

Those of you who don't surf won't understand Mr. Epenrose's point of view. I have surfed over 40 years and understand it. Surfers have been punching each other out over waves for years Laughing

It happens and usually no one calls the cops over it. Mad

The 70's were the worse - tires getting slashed, windshieds busted... Cool

I can tell that you all here are nice, intellegent, considerate people and I have found over the years that by and large windsurfers are a much nicer bunch than surfers. Smile

Having worked for the Sheriff's office I can also tell you that with budget constrains in most areas there are barely enough officers to cover an area. If there is a major incident with multiple units responding, you might not see a cop for a while. Then what are you gonna do? Deal with it. otgmail was lucky that he was still in the water when the guy started to yell at him but what if he was at his car, changing out of his wetsuit? Sometimes there is just no avoiding confrontation and in those times..to quote Mr. Epenrose, the best defense is a good offense.