Angry, agressive sailors

[coachg]

[gregorvass]

I know Leo Carrillo Is Crazy!
I sailed there for the first time last week...lets just say I don't think I will ever go Back.

Razor sharp Rocks, Surf Gangs and drive-by Shootings.

Forget It!

[gregorvass]

For those who are new.

It is so simple:

Who ever is closer to the breaking pocket has the right of way 99.0%.

Here are some additional situations.

These are the Rules that have applied for the last 30 years at Leo Carrillo Surf-Sailing!



http://www.nesurf.com/Articles/Etiquette/etiquette.html

Best Regards.

[theq]

What goes around, comes around. You give ground, you get ground.

I may have fallen into Gregor's 1% category the other day. Tough call.

I had a guy catch a wave in front of me when I was in it a little earlier and closer to the peak. He showed no intention of pulling out in order to give me room and did not do so. It was not a set wave, and neither was it a safety issue, so I just sort of rode it out. He kicked out earlier so I had a bit of a solo ride at the end. Minutes later, while the earlier wave was still fresh in my memory, a set came rolling through. I was on it as a swell/hump but the wind wasn't doing me any favors helping power me upwind toward the peak. I then saw that the same guy you took off in front of me was near the kelp line and stalling, waiting for the wave. At the same time, I judged that the wave was going to section over the middle rock so I beared/bore(?) off and went for the top of the steepening section. I watched the guy who was nearer the peak and he seemed to be stalling even more. So, I dropped over the top of the steep section, quickly looked back, knowing that he couldn't be close to me because he'd have had to have sailed over the exposed rocks. As I looked back, I saw him going over the top of the wave. I don't know if he gave it to me or what. Having surfed for many years before I windsurfed, I've seen many a wave pass me by because I thought that the guy on it 1st was going to make a section, or the steep takeoff, and they did not. Such things are a very tough call. I took off on this wave with that in mind. It was a good wave and it shouldn't be unridden. As I said, I looked back and he was out of the wave. I was more than willing to immediately exit if it looked like he was making the wave. But, he was standing in the straps but was letting the wave pass under him. So, yes, in most cases the guy nearest the primary peak has the right of way, but there can be extenuating circumstances. In this case, there was a second "breaking pocket". Like so much else in life, it's a judgment call. I believe that I made the right one, as I had the best wave I had all day, and the dude who was nearest the "primary pocket" either decided against riding it out, or the wave decided it for him. I'm not sure. Again, I was well-prepared to kick out if this guy was making the wave.

While surfing, I have had many instances where I was closest to the peak, let's call it "too close", and had pretty good idea that I wasn't going to make the takeoff. In those cases, I'd always tell the guy who was in a better position to actually make the wave, to "go ahead". Such things can take the guesswork out of it. Along the same lines, I had a fellow Leo regular come up and ask me if he'd cut me off on a wave. While he had taken off on the shoulder, downwind of where I was positioning myself, there was a question in my mind, and obviously his, of whether I was going to have the wind power to make it into the wave. Therefore, when I did make it, and he did drop in on the shoulder, I had no problem with it, and told him as much. I thanked him for asking about it. It was cool, as my catching the wave was no sure thing until rather late in the game.

Yup, what goes around, comes around. You give ground, you get ground.

[OLAS!]

I have yelled at a few here and there over repeated dumb/reckless moves, ie. a Euro guy repeatedly dropping in a shoulder+ day on others including myself as we were working the wave for several yards this guy would make eye contact bear off and drop in 10-15 yrds. in front of whomever, would make a few turns, exit, look back and smile as if it was cool... on his third stunt attempt I just screamed a very loud EEAAAhh! he looked back ate shit and as I sailed by a knee jerk "Don't do that again, Asshole" response came out of my mouth, 30min. later on the beach he came by and apologized, then asked why couldn't he do what he wanted on the waves!
Another common one is the "New to Waves" sailor who wants to get in the waves... and when they do (anywhere and everywhere), they just go for 'sleigh rides' while sporting a 'Look! I'm wave Riding' grin, clueless to the approaching sailor on their left, who seemingly is always "going the wrong way" on their wave ... EEAAAhh!!

[OLAS!]

gone

[gregorvass]

[spennie]

Gregor:
Your reputation precedes you.
I learned to surf at Leo in 1971, before there were leashes on surfboards, I know the rules, that was MY wave.
FYI, that "10 foot race board" you're referring to is an 84 liter 7'7" Exocet Cross.
You should try de-caf.

[gregorvass]

[nealpar]