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isobars



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrgybe wrote:
I'm always suspicious of acronyms containing MF!.


You're apparently not alone.

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Location: Long Beach, California, USA

PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:15 pm    Post subject: consensus Reply with quote

For the sake of consensus, here are my two-sensus:

When I am marginally powered for planing, the textbook method:
1. hang off boom, body in C position.
2. pump to planing
3. slide both feet back until I feel the straps
4. hook into the harness using hips and throwing my head back
5. front strap, then back strap

When adequately powered, the lazy method:
1. hook in before planing
2. looking for opportunistic gust and/or swell to accelerate
3. feather sail with back hand until planing
4. slide both feet back until I feel the straps
5. front strap, then back strap

When overpowered, or short high gusts, or wave ride, or very close to the beach where I am about to pull the trigger:
1. hang off boom, body in C position
2. pump to planing if necessary
3. front foot in strap, back foot in strap
4. hook in harness only if not wave riding or throwing a trick

Note that I use freestyle and freestyle/wave boards with the footstraps all the way forward and in, board size 85L-109L, small fins, never a sail bigger than 7.0m, fixed length harness lines at 28cm, and a waist harness. I am also not a racer and sail with a freestyle/wave oriented stance: very forward with more weight on the front foot than the back.

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PeconicPuffin



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

isobars wrote:

2. Keeps novice rider’s weight and drive further forward on the board until planing, promoting earlier planing. More advanced riders can achieve this by hanging their weight on the boom, but that demands greater skill and/or effort and does not provide foot-steering.

Mike \m/


This delays early planing, it doesn't promote it. The rider's weight is too far forward, so you've got more board in the water than you need at the point when the sail power is enough for the board to rise up onto a plane. And you're sacrificing smooth power transfer, as the entirety of the rider's weight is coming through the mast foot and the rider's unstrapped front foot.

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isobars



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PeconicPuffin wrote:
This delays early planing, it doesn't promote it. The rider's weight is too far forward, so you've got more board in the water than you need at the point when the sail power is enough for the board to rise up onto a plane. And you're sacrificing smooth power transfer, as the entirety of the rider's weight is coming through the mast foot and the rider's unstrapped front foot.

That's called operator error. Most sailors will recognize that and not try to sail in such a bang-bang controller (look it up) mode.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

isobars wrote:
PeconicPuffin wrote:
This delays early planing, it doesn't promote it. The rider's weight is too far forward, so you've got more board in the water than you need at the point when the sail power is enough for the board to rise up onto a plane. And you're sacrificing smooth power transfer, as the entirety of the rider's weight is coming through the mast foot and the rider's unstrapped front foot.

That's called operator error. Most sailors will recognize that and not try to sail in such a bang-bang controller (look it up) mode.


The "novice rider" that you postulate will?

The capable sailor won't be bothering with this.

You're trying to tart up dead end, mediocre technique, and then blame the sailor when they get dead end mediocre results.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

to original poster:

125 liter made in 2006 is what you want. will work perfect with your sails, weight and skills.

be prepared to add more boards - wider (more important than volume) for lighter wind and smaller for stronger winds. But this 125 l will stay with you for a very long time

Whatever board you buy - go to NSI (they are in Hood River OR) and order the nose bra. the bigger the board, the wider the nose, the more important you do it.
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