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Did I really see a kiteboarder with a toddler in a backpack?
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katosandog



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 12:09 pm    Post subject: Did I really see a kiteboarder with a toddler in a backpack? Reply with quote

yesterday on the water in front of the Event Site??? I believe in evolution, but I don't want to see it played out before my very eyes.

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jrg



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sometimes things are not what they seem:
http://www.nwkite.com/forums/t-13701.html
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katosandog



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

apparently not. Thanks for the link.
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billgfc



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

no question they are both enjoying each other, I have witnessed

I saw them sailing in open water with no visible pfd on either

Lets just say the dad will never have equipment failure of make a mistake , then it is all good. What if there is failure? Worth the risk?

I have an extended family member whose late brother was autistic and whose stepfather put together the first Jerry Lewis telethon, later doing same for autism. There is also a national leader in the field I know in Vancouver, WA. Even so, is kid in backpack kiting important or the fact that dad loves kid and is taking him for a ride on anything the real point/ Think about it dad, be safe and aware what your example may present to others. It s all good in the end , if safe. Safety is always first


but what about the press publicizing and others emulating?

I have three boys , now 19 22 and 24

I skied with them in my backback, one off the tram at Snowbird when he was one.
In the end, I was a professional skier, athlete, competitor and instructor.

Looking back, as thrilling as it was for the boys and myself (and looked so with dad/kiter), I often ask if it was the right thing. I was highly unlikely to mess up, But what if?

Ski areas later banned kids in backpacks. What if they did not?
Was I setting a bad example?

Looking back with wisdom of hindsight I set a bad example and my kids loved bike rides, swimming, learning to ski and more. I am glad I was not photographed as it could have encouraged others. I was deeply disturbed when I saw the kid in backpack pic in the Gorge Guide.



Dad stay safe
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isobars



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Until the kid is old enough to appreciate and evaluate the risks himself, maybe Child Protective Services should make the call. I saw a WSer at the Hatchery wearing a toddler on a windy day decades ago, before I was smart enough to call the police and let them decide. IMO, a dad takes a kid to the county fair, not to an activity which has killed experts and can kill a strapped-in child in just 20-30 seconds of immersion.

Mike \m/
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mogunn



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have to say it disturbed me to see this at Pismo's Kite Expo in 2005.


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cgoudie1



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a big believer in risk, this still seems extremely lacking in humility
to me, but it's not my situation.

-Craig

jrg wrote:
Sometimes things are not what they seem:
http://www.nwkite.com/forums/t-13701.html
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katosandog



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

considering the circumstances, and what is at stake, I am not going to say that I wouldn't do the same thing if it was my son.
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billgfc



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what is at stake?

Is it the specific activity or dad spending quality time in motion that gets the result?
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isobars



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

billgfc wrote:
what is at stake?


Merely an innocent, clueless, physically restrained kid's life. There are far less risky father-son activities than strapping a toddler in so he has zero control in the event of a fall. I've supported kids racing dirt bikes (MOTORCYCLES, no less, not mountain bikes), but only when they're big enough to control their falls, as in age 5 or 6. "I'm too good to screw up" is not only folly, but IMO borders on criminal arrogance, whatever that is. We gotta brave the highways to go places, but we don't gotta risk toddler's lives when we get there. The kid in the photos above is probably pretty safe, but even Dale Cook fergoshsake probably isn't safe from the other 500 nutjobs at the Event Site. Hell, I missed getting rammed from behind/below by a World Cop pro racer champion there by only 20-30 inches, and both he and Dale have more skill and control than the other 500 nutjobs COMBINED at that venue.

Mike \m/
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