difference between no cam 2 or 3 cam and race sail

[WMP]

[billgfc]

My response was directed to the original question. nowhere did I state my preference in sails for my sailing, only what regular sailors testing certain newer sails expressed.

I wrote:

"Note that I used first hand feedback to describe the designs I wrote of. Little related to what I feel when I sailed them. What is important is what does the sailor feel. Is a change noted? Is that change enjoyed? "

I do suggest we talk for once about new sails and rigs for once. There are changes. If sailors select carefully , they will note the difference and choose for themselves.

You love your stuff, how about rigging it on the beach and then asking a small sample of sailors who sail stuff three years old (with right mast) or newer to test and write about the difference between your rig and the newer?

Maybe we get answers. We know what you like. What do they like?

[WMP]

We are here to share our experiences.... I am sharing mine. Problem is, Bill, you seem to feel only people who sail newer gear have valid opinions.

3 years ago I was trying out new gear. I tried various new boards and the Hucker sail thinking it offered something new and improved over my older NW sails. I didn't like the way it responded (power too high for me) as well as the heavy weight and stiffness... difficult to rig.

Feedback from other sailors who have bought new quivers in the last 3 years have all been the same..... nothing really improved over the older sails.

Trust me on this.... if there were someone out there sailing long marathon sesh's with more floaty airtime and more successful snappy jibes.... but doing it better than me all year-round with a bigger smile, I'd be very, very interested in what gear they use. ... honest!

Truth is, I've not seen this.

To the original poster I would suggest doing a little homework and buying cheap 10+ year old used no-cam sails until he's got the experience, knowledge, and strength for high performance cam sails in a few years.... cam sails are a real PAIN when you are just learning to waterstart, getting into the straps, or learning to jibe. Perhaps when you get really good, then consider buying a new quiver of cam sails for the conditions you will sail in regularly.

- WMP

[billgfc]

I never said anywhere that only those sailing newer gear have valid options.
you have suggested you like your old stuff better and that is terrific.

If you feel older stuff is better, why not just rig and let others with new stuff try?

After testing the Hucker, did you give your feedback to Bruce or Dale? Was it rigged and on the right mast? Maybe you selected the wrong model
Did you go to Blake and test a 2009 Northwave. Are you saying Blake's newer sails are not as good as the old?

Did you go to someone on the beach with newer Naish or Maui Sails rigged correctly?

Again BETTER FOR YOU-- terrific! Your personal preferences are respected, BUT since you recommend old stuff...
better for the guy who asked the original question?

I do agree with some of your feedback on others buying newer stuff> I see this all the time as well when they cannot feel the improvement.

1. How many rigged the right mast?
2. How many rigged correctly and had help from someone who is trained in rigging?
3. Is the brand dead serious with consumer R&D? Do they live it?

Not all sails are alike.

Neither is coffee: http://www.dailyfinance.com/2009/09/29/starbucks-via-instant-coffee-wont-caffeinate-starbucks-in-an-in/?icid=webmail

Consumers will try and if they do not like look out!
That is why I am posting first hand feedback on new sails direct from sailors. No sexy ads or colors needed!

[WMP]

[sailingjoe]

Wow, I never thought I would start such a dialogue with my post. Let me suggest that anyone interested in the camber inducer debate try a forum search. Looking at the old vs. new debate, you can do the same thing. However, I want to add something in support of Bill's point of view. I bought an '06 NP V-8 after it was discounted. I discovered that they had redesigned the camber inducer they use and introduced it in '07. I tried to get some feedback on them but really couldn't find anyone posting on the internet about a strict comparison of '06 and the new inducers. Here's where industry research can help. However, does anyone sail with two successive year sails in one session? Once the engineers change the camber inducer design and put it into production, are they going to want to know that the new design sucks?

[billgfc]

cool 4.2 sounds great ! stay quick...

The Maui Sails program is very consistent and steady, details. The masts flex will be constant and cams work. It is the Barry Spanier mode. The other programs with passion get it,, check with sailors and passionate reps who actually sail all the time.

back to the original post:

I mentioned a few brands of sails you could consider, there are good sailors using these who know the line well as previously stated:

If you demo the Maui line, check with Gorge Surf shop

I d suggest the Switch from 6.0 down. There is a 2009 6.0 demo for sale there

Also there is a Pursuit 2009 6.5 (no cam) try it

They may have the 2009 Titan 7.6 (two cam) if so check it out

That said, suggest in Maui Line Titan or Pursuit 6.5 up

There are race sails to try, fine to try mine, or Gorge Surf shop will set you up with Casey Hauser, the rep.

all these sails haul ass, lol

[billgfc]

sailingjoe: you will get feedback straight from Barry and others at www.mauisails.com response is often almost immedite

[sailingjoe]

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