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pueno



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

techno900 wrote:
pueno said:
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Cheney said, "Deficits don't matter." Don't you believe Dear old Dick? I mean.... he's a man with a heart! (Someone else's.)


There you go, what an convincing argument. Too bad Bush didn't say that, or your argument would be sooooo much stronger.

He also said:
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And it's not "a life" we were discussing... it was millions of lives, many thousands of miles of shoreline, zillions of jobs, businesses by the gazillion, national economies, and so on.


Exactly, and don't you want to get it right before you move ahead with the spending? That was and is still my point, which you seem to ignore.

He also said:
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it was millions of lives
Did I miss a disaster somewhere?


Techno, you're so far down the rabbit hole it's not worth the effort trying to explain the obvious to you.

But you're still a funny guy.
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techno900



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When a leftie is incapable or unwilling to engage in logical debate, obfuscation seem to be the strategy.

Only a skunk would know what is down the rabbit hole.
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pueno



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

techno900 wrote:
When a leftie is incapable or unwilling to engage in logical debate, obfuscation seem to be the strategy.

Only a skunk would know what is down the rabbit hole.

Techno, you've been illogical throughout.

Enjoy Wonderland, say "hi" to Alice, don't listen to the rabbit. You can tune in Fox down there, no tinfoil required. If you see a huge grin in the tree, it's Rush, not the Cheshire Cat. Laughing Laughing Laughing
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techno900



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for proving my point.
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keycocker



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Love that word techno.
How did he obfuscate by insulting you, which I found rude and uncalled for?
I am sure he must have obfuscated too, but don't see how.
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mac



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty funny how the righties don't respond to the substantive arguments about climate change, or the lack of credibility of their sources. Then they say that people who insult them about their irrational statements aren't nice--while flinging words like "skunk" and "insane" around.

Maybe they can have Rand Paul set up a special Board to certify Lord Monckton as a climate expert? And have him joined by the rest of the folks paid by Koch, but unable to do peer reviewed research?

Looney toons. I make no pretense of respecting people who drink all their water from right wing cesspools.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Pretty funny how the righties don't respond to the substantive arguments about climate change, or the lack of credibility of their sources. Then they say that people who insult them about their irrational statements aren't nice--while flinging words like "skunk" and "insane" around.
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Looney toons. I make no pretense of respecting people who drink all their water from right wing cesspools.

Why don't you just agree this this prof. he might be onto something, just cut to the chase.
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Professor Calls For Climate Change ‘Deniers’ To Be Imprisoned
Wants to criminalize questioning of the science on global warming

March 17, 2014

A professor with Rochester Institute of Technology has called for the incarceration of any American who actively disagrees that climate change is solely caused by human activity.

Lawrence Torcello, a philosophy professor with a Ph.D. from the University at Buffalo, published the comments as part of an essay submitted to the academic website The Conversation.

Torcello argues that malignant individuals, who he does not identify, are collectively organising a “campaign funding misinformation” about climate change. Torcello goes on to suggest that such activity “ought to be considered criminally negligent.”

Adding that “science misinformation” surrounding climate change should be considered a crime, Torcello asks readers to “Consider cases in which science communication is intentionally undermined for political and financial gain.”

He then goes on to cite a case in Italy where six scientists were jailed for failing to “clearly communicate risks to the public” about living in an earthquake zone.

“Imagine if in L’Aquila, scientists themselves had made every effort to communicate the risks of living in an earthquake zone,” Torcello states, asking the reader to consider the consequences if malevolent “financiers” of a “denialist campaign” “funded an organised campaign to discredit the consensus findings of seismology, and for that reason no preparations were made.”

“I submit that this is just what is happening with the current, well documented funding of global warming denialism,” Torcello asserts.

“Climate denial remains a serious deterrent against meaningful political action in the very countries most responsible for the crisis.” the professor adds.

Torcello also addresses the fact that his demands clearly run in opposition to protected free speech under the First Amendment, and as part of other nations’ laws, calling for legal systems to be “updated” by governments.

“We must make the critical distinction between the protected voicing of one’s unpopular beliefs, and the funding of a strategically organised campaign to undermine the public’s ability to develop and voice informed opinions,” he writes.

According to a Gallup poll conducted earlier this month, two thirds of Americans do not believe that the colder temperatures the country has been experiencing is related to human-caused climate change or global warming, instead believing that normal seasonal variations are at play.

The “scientific consensus” on the matter says that human activity is a factor in temperature changes, thus under Torcello’s “updated” law, two thirds of Americans would be at risk of being deemed as criminals for expressing these beliefs.

Torcello’s America would also see countless scientists thrown into prison for continually presenting evidence that shows there is no scientific evidence that human activity is causing the planet to warm. The latest to be locked up would be Greenpeace co-founder Patrick Moore, who testified in front of a Senate committee last month that “There is no scientific proof that human emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) are the dominant cause of the minor warming of the Earth’s atmosphere over the past 100 years.”

Moore cited the IPCC’s own figures on global warming which show only a 0.57C temperature increase during the 30-year period from 1970 to 2000. Since then there has been no increase, perhaps a slight decrease, in average global temperature.

Furthermore, the latest temperature data from two U.S. government bureaucracies, NASA and NOAA, verifies that the “pause” or “hiatus” in global warming is still ongoing. If professor Torcello had his way, the scientists involved in those studies would presumably also be imprisoned.

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You know you like the idea.

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pueno



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nitwit30 wrote:

Professor Calls For Climate Change ‘Deniers’ To Be Imprisoned
Wants to criminalize questioning of the science on global warming


Nahh....... That's wouldn't be right.

It's cruel and unusual punishment to imprison deniers for their ignorance and lack of education.

Now, if we could perhaps triple their energy consumption taxes, then we'd have something just and right.
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techno900



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

keycocker,

Regarding "obfuscation" Maybe not the perfect word, but it does apply.

intransitive verb
: to be evasive, unclear, or confusing
— ob·fus·ca·tion noun

My very simple and clear point in the discussion is that we should not go overboard trying to fix something that maybe can't be fixed or doesn't need to be fixed (CO2 and rising sea levels).

Pueno typically is "evasive", runs off on tangents or resorts to insults rather than discussing the issues. It's a common strategy when there is little recourse to a valid point made in a debate.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac said:
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Pretty funny how the righties don't respond to the substantive arguments about climate change, or the lack of credibility of their sources. Then they say that people who insult them about their irrational statements aren't nice--while flinging words like "skunk" and "insane" around.


Another example of obfuscation. Mac doesn't acknowledge my point (made in the above post), but instead jumps on the "denier" band wagon that I am clearly not on. He says my statements are "irrational", but doesn't point out why. I have to admit I did use the incredibly insensitive word "skunk" with Pueno, the guy that interjects offensive language in at least half of his posts. I am not sure where "insane" originated from, but it wasn't me.
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