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mac



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course it doesn't serve the conservative narrative that Annie bailed out because she couldn't get paid, or that the basic provocation came from the brown shirt brigade. This guy must be one of your heroes: https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/elmer-stewart-rhodes-0

Incidentally, I contribute to the ACLU, which defends the rights of despicable people like Coulter to spew bigotry. Students and faculty are uninvolved because this is largely a product of "outside agitators." Those on the left are nearly as bad--and more foolish--than those on the right.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gybe let us know if the record heat to plague the entire Southeast part of the country this weekend gets your skin sweating as you sit on that leather couch.
95 degrees in April throughout much of the S.E. and mid Atlantic.

Also, please be careful it is expected to bring the most moisture ever recorded in from the Gulf of Mexico to the Mississippi valley. Expect serious flooding.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bluefish1 wrote:
Gybe let us know if the record heat to plague the entire Southeast part of the country this weekend gets your skin sweating as you sit on that leather couch.
95 degrees in April throughout much of the S.E. and mid Atlantic.

Also, please be careful it is expected to bring the most moisture ever recorded in from the Gulf of Mexico to the Mississippi valley. Expect serious flooding.


Don't gloat at other people's suffering. It's been flooding in Texas and Mississippi since the dinosaurs
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:
And your hero Ann Coulter bailed out because she couldn't get her money--but your boyfriends with ax handles are here.

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KCBS reported (http://cbsloc.al/2qiK5yi ) that Gavin McInnes, founder of the pro-Trump "Proud Boys," said he will speak in the afternoon at Martin Luther King Jr. Civic Center Park and encouraged other groups to help make a large showing at the gathering.

The group on its Facebook page calls itself a fraternal organization aimed at "reinstating a spirit of Western chauvinism during an age of globalism and multiculturalism." It said it supports minimal government and is also "anti-political correctness, anti-racial guilt, pro-gun rights, anti-Drug War, closed borders." Another group called the Orange County Alt Right Group planned a rally in the same place.

In emails to The Associated Press on Wednesday, Coulter confirmed that her planned speech on illegal immigration, followed by a question-answer session, was canceled. But she remained coy about what she might do instead.


For those unfamiliar with dog whistles, that would be a white supremacy group, and a bigot with long hair. You must be so proud.

Totally off the subject of this thread, but since you brought it up.........

1) You've obviously never listened to Coulter to be able to consider her a bigot.
2) Your taxes at work, Berkeley's PD, as well as the other PDs in the area, are not doing what they have been hired to do, that being protecting our civilians safety, and rights. Rights which include free speech as guaranteed by our constitution, which is the foundation of our laws and society.
3) If it was hard left speakers at Berkeley, I'm sure the various PDs in the area would have no problem supplying the needed security. So in essence the PD is waist deep in censorship, something that is NOT in their job description. This is the type of crap that we've seen in Europe throughout history, the police standing back and letting political thugs set the agenda, which leads to the breakdown of civilization.
4) It doesn't matter who is threatening civil disobedience, that is totally beside the point, what matters is the PDs doing their job, and Berkeley choosing not to stand up for what put that *ahem* university on the political map, standing up for free speech.
5) Berkeley is rapidly becoming the worst city in the country as an example of what this country is all about.
6) You must be so proud, you can have it, that city fits you well.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NW claimed:

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1) You've obviously never listened to Coulter to be able to consider her a bigot.
2) Your taxes at work, Berkeley's PD, as well as the other PDs in the area, are not doing what they have been hired to do, that being protecting our civilians safety, and rights. Rights which include free speech as guaranteed by our constitution, which is the foundation of our laws and society.
3) If it was hard left speakers at Berkeley, I'm sure the various PDs in the area would have no problem supplying the needed security. So in essence the PD is waist deep in censorship, something that is NOT in their job description. This is the type of crap that we've seen in Europe throughout history, the police standing back and letting political thugs set the agenda, which leads to the breakdown of civilization.
4) It doesn't matter who is threatening civil disobedience, that is totally beside the point, what matters is the PDs doing their job, and Berkeley choosing not to stand up for what put that *ahem* university on the political map, standing up for free speech.
5) Berkeley is rapidly becoming the worst city in the country as an example of what this country is all about.
6) You must be so proud, you can have it, that city fits you well


From an alternative reality. I have listened to Ann Coulter, to the point where I almost threw up. I guess this is not bigoted in your mind:

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Published on Mar 10, 2014
"The 'browning of America' is not a natural process. It's been artificially imposed by Democrats who are confident of their ability to turn Third World immigrants into government patrons. (And confident, as well, of their inability to win the votes of native Americans.) "


And then Berkeley yesterday. You and Malibu got your news from someplace that doesn't subscribe to facts. Here is the news account from the Chronicle: https://www.pressreader.com/usa/san-francisco-chronicle-late-edition/20170428/281500751146114

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Police braced for mayhem Thursday as “battle-ready” protesters vowed to converge on Berkeley, but only spirited speeches broke out rather than the type of violent clashes between right and left groups that have turned the city into a political combat zone.

On the UC Berkeley campus and at Martin Luther King Jr. Civic Center Park a few blocks to the west — the site of recent riot-like brawls — scores of cops took a more assertive stance as they monitored protesters, many of them upset by the cancellation of a visit by conservative commentator Ann Coulter, which they called an attack on free speech.


And then just for mrgybe, and closer to the topic. From Kathryn Schulz article in the New Yorker "Polar Expressed", about ice melting and the history of arctic exploration, this just seems to capture the sense of white superiority and chauvinism. The British, of course, refused to emulate the "savages" that lived in the arctic--and died in exploration needlessly.

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It was possible to live and even thrive in the Arctic—but, steeped in the racial prejudices of colonial England, almost all of Britain’s polar explorers declined to imitate indigenous ways of travelling, hunting, eating, and staying warm. Everywhere else in the former British Empire, English chauvinism led to the death of untold numbers of native people. In the Arctic, English chauvinism led to the death of untold numbers of Englishmen.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poor, sad old chap! So desperate for conflict. Weakly defends the indefensible in his town, and then deflects to centuries old "chauvinism" of polar explorers with more courage than he could ever imagine, safely tucked away in the house that his granny bought for him.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Courage without judgement and humility is tragedy. Something the gybester has yet to learn. Sad indeed.

Pete Seeger said it best: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXnJVkEX8O4&list=RDuXnJVkEX8O4#t=0

Hubris. A Brit specialty. Along with gybester lies.
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GURGLETROUSERS



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too patrhetically biased Mr. G, and full of hatred for the British, and ignorance, to bother with!

For those interested in truth, look up Encyclopedia Arctica, and the extensive explorations of Gino Watkins, a famous British Arctic (Greenland) explorer.

There are photographs of him with Eskimo associates, whose seal hunting methods from their kayaks, he copied. (Our present day 'Eskimo' glass fibre and polyethelene exploration kayaks were developed from the Angmagssalic designs of those times.)

Explorers like him opened up vast areas of the unknown Arctic regions using both Eskimo travelling methods, and more modern technology such as early aircraft and shipps. Many other European countries were also involved in such exploration.

I think Gino's exploits can be accessed by Google. i.e. Department College Library, or Gino Watkins Encyclopedia Arctica 15 biography.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I loathe colonialism, whether old or new, and bigotry. From the article:

Of all the renowned explorers of the era, none achieved quite as much fame, at quite so high a cost, as Sir John Franklin, a man destined to cause a crisis in Britain about the meaning of Arctic exploration. In 1845, at the age of fifty-nine, Franklin embarked on his fourth polar expedition with twenty-four officers, a hundred and ten crewmen, and two ships, the Terror and the Erebus. We know today what took England eleven long years to determine. Both ships became trapped in pack ice in the Canadian Arctic. Franklin died on board. His men set off by sledge over the unforgiving Arctic terrain, where they gradually dropped off from scurvy, starvation, and hypothermia. There were no survivors.

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Yet polar travel was more often dangerous than salubrious—and, on the evidence of his journal, Conan Doyle at sea was not quite so sanguine as Conan Doyle on land. On May 11th, he sums up his situation as “Misery and desolation.” May 25th: “Worser and worserer.” June 2nd: “My hair is coming out and I am getting prematurely aged.” June 13th: “It would make a saint swear.” July 11th: “Got up late and would have liked to have got up later, which is a sad moral state to be in.” July 19th: “Blowing a gale all day. Nothing to do and we did it.” His chief complaint was boredom; his chief fear, that the ship would get trapped in pack ice; his chief danger, falling into the frigid water—which he did four times in his first two days on the ice, jeopardizing his life each time. His crewmates jokingly nicknamed him the Great Northern Diver.

Of all the bad things that transpired at the poles, however, what sailors most feared was getting trapped in the ice, partly because it happened so often. At one point in 1830, so many ships were stuck in Greenland’s infamous Melville Bay that almost a thousand men were stranded there. Sometimes an icebound ship thawed out unharmed, leaving its crew merely thinner, colder, and crazier come springtime. At least as often, though, the ship was crushed in the shifting pack ice—“like a grand piano caught in an industrial press,” Barry Lopez wrote in his 1986 book, “Arctic Dreams.” Lopez tells the story of one ship that went down so fast that nineteen men were instantly swept to their death, while the rest were left clinging to what remained of the deck. All but three of them survived, “by bleeding each other and drinking the blood from a shoe.” They were rescued when two Danish brigs were spotted by a man who had abandoned the deck to commit suicide.

This was the reality of polar travel: more ordinary in its awfulness than the gothic horrors conjured up by novelists; more wretched, desperate, and deadly than the stories circulated by the British Admiralty and its publicity machine. Polar exploration wasn’t a leading cause of death in the nineteenth century, but only because so few people participated in it; for those who did, the odds of dying were alarmingly high. Tragically, the novelists were right that much of the death toll was brought about by hubris. As the later Canadian explorer Vilhjalmur Stefansson noted, John Franklin’s entire crew died of starvation and exposure in an area where, for generations, the Inuit had raised their children and tended their elderly. It was possible to live and even thrive in the Arctic—but, steeped in the racial prejudices of colonial England, almost all of Britain’s polar explorers declined to imitate indigenous ways of travelling, hunting, eating, and staying warm.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

P.S. Gino was undoubtedly very brave and driven in his explorations, which were feats of endurance. Sadly, he never returned from a kayak stint, and must have drowned.

Avery humble but brave and gifted person indeed!
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