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anecak



Joined: 30 Jun 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 8:26 pm    Post subject: Gill Nets Reply with quote

There is a sensible strategy to deal with the gill nets that have appeared this year right in the middle of several windsurfing sites: Boycott the purchase of any fish from ANY Native Americans. The purpose would not be to punish any particular fisherman, most of whom are undoubtedly blameless. The purpose would be to use the windsurfing community's (and friends') economic power to pressure the Native Americans to police their own community . If properly organized, with enough publicizing and enough discipline by enough people to make it be felt by all fishermen who profit by selling fish to the white community, the fishermen would get the message. They would put pressure on CRTFC, or on the people who put the gill nets just offshore in so many places, to move them. They know who they are, and if it is affecting the income of everyone they will make sure the nets get moved. It is not a question of whether or not they have a right to put gillnets right off the Hatchery. They certainly do. It is a matter of in-your-face lack of consideration for the recreational users they know are affected by it.
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westender



Joined: 02 Aug 2007
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Location: Portland / Gorge

PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is some order by which the nets are placed. Families or individuals own or have right to different areas where they can put a net. They can loan or lease, rent or whatever they want with these spots. That's the story I was told by a Gorge Old timer??? Maybe they're mad at us for making the salmon go away.

This year it looks like the back eddy is less important than having the nets trap windsurfers.
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isobars



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't forget that if they don't like a boycott, they always have the right to prosecute us for touching their nets (aka "interfering with their livelihood"). They would quickly become quite wealthy doing that, and it could effectively shut down some launches. We also don't need more rancid fish oil dumped in the jibe zone or onto big fires just yards upwind of the rigging area, more mounds of fish guts piled just upwind in the midsummer heat, or guts dumped in the launch zone. Let's not exacerbate the situation, because, like the RR, the Indians have the upper hand in and out of court.

Besides, no boycott is necessary. I've had salmon only hours out of the river and only hours out of Costco, and MUCH prefer the latter, especially during the Copper River run.

Mike \m/
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duckwind



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:48 am    Post subject: Gill nets Reply with quote

They can have their gill nets, lets just be happy with the hundreds of miles of dammed river we have to windsurf on.
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tweeky



Joined: 19 Sep 2004
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:18 am    Post subject: Re: Gill nets Reply with quote

duckwind wrote:
They can have their gill nets, lets just be happy with the hundreds of miles of dammed river we have to windsurf on.


Absolutely.

Accept for the spots where they have run gill nets across.

Which are many of the main windsurf launches.

Which started this whole thread...

Do we have to start over?

Why can't it be the other way round? "Let them have their windsurf launches, lets just be happy with the hundreds of miles of damned river we have to run our nets across..."
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Mulekick84



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Don't forget that if they don't like a boycott, they always have the right to prosecute us for touching their nets (aka "interfering with their livelihood"). They would quickly become quite wealthy doing that, and it could effectively shut down some launches. We also don't need more rancid fish oil dumped in the jibe zone or onto big fires just yards upwind of the rigging area, more mounds of fish guts piled just upwind in the midsummer heat, or guts dumped in the launch zone. Let's not exacerbate the situation, because, like the RR, the Indians have the upper hand in and out of court.


Why is Isobars afraid of the indians?
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duckwind



Joined: 10 Apr 2000
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 5:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Gill nets Reply with quote

tweeky wrote:
duckwind wrote:
They can have their gill nets, lets just be happy with the hundreds of miles of dammed river we have to windsurf on.


Absolutely.

Accept for the spots where they have run gill nets across.

Which are many of the main windsurf launches.

Which started this whole thread...

Do we have to start over?

Why can't it be the other way round? "Let them have their windsurf launches, lets just be happy with the hundreds of miles of damned river we have to run our nets across..."


What I'm saying is that we took fishing away from the indians when we dammed the river, and if the river wasn't dammed there would not be windsurfing. Personally I'd trade hundreds of miles of windsurfable river for a couple gill nets that may or may not be in the way.
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tweeky



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 5:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Gill nets Reply with quote

duckwind wrote:

What I'm saying is that we took fishing away from the indians when we dammed the river, and if the river wasn't dammed there would not be windsurfing. Personally I'd trade hundreds of miles of windsurfable river for a couple gill nets that may or may not be in the way.


Right, yes, we all get that. However, with railroads running on both sides, those hundreds of miles of windsurfable river are only legally accessible to us by designated launch areas. This year in particular, it seems that the indians are choosing to string nets directly in front of quite a few of these launch areas, which is causing concern for some windsurfers who feel they represent a significant safety hazard, in some cases, so much so that they are choosing to forego sailing at those sites all together while the nets are in place.

My understanding is that the indians are allowed to put their nets anywhere they want along the shoreline. It would seem that they have a far greater amount of flexibility in their net placement than windsurfers do in where they can launch from. I'm not saying one side is right, the other wrong. Just that the issue is worth discussion. The Gorge is a great place to sail, but there's nothing wrong with at least questioning something that might perhaps represent an unnecessary safety hazard. Discussion is healthy, not something you have to be afraid of.
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scottwerden



Joined: 11 Jul 1999
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't have a problem with the nets; I would say someone's livelihood has priority over a sport. Just suck it up and jibe outside the nets. Sheeesh.
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windoggie



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad I live in the east bay...the odd weed CAN be a bother though.


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