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noshuzbluz
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This brings up a question. I've always had my sail sizes 1/2 meter apart. With modern sails having such a wide range I was thinking about making that spread .7 meters apart. I haven't spent enough time on my Ezzys to tell but so far they seem to have a very wide range.
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damel
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| Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 11:19 am Post subject: |
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| rigatoni wrote: | | Put a cargo box on the roof of your car to store your sails. I live near Pacific Heights and park my car on the street. Sometimes I leave a board in the car but not if it is forecast to be warm. Pacific Heights is a good location. A little pricey but 5 minutes from Crissy Field. |
Good call on the cargo box. Pricey for sure but when we saw a smaller place in Inner Richmond go for the same price we decided to pull the trigger.
As for the sail sizes I totally agree that modern day sails cover a larger range. I find it strange everyone thinks of sail sizes in steps rather than a percent change. For example 5.5-6=9% is a smaller percentage step than 4.0-4.5=12.5%. Taking into account the fact we are talking about m^2 the linear %chgs are 8.2% compared to 15.6%.
Simply put as sails get smaller it takes less of a change in the area to make them feel smaller or larger. As a result my quiver is setup with small changes in small sail sizes and then a larger gap in the bigger ones:
3.7(wish list)-4.1-4.5-5.0-5.8-6.6(sold)-9.5(stopped using) |
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MULLDE102f
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| Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Come on, Isobars, here,s another chance to pontificate about something you know nothing about. Don't be slacking. |
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isobars
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| Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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| noshuzbluz wrote: | | I've always had my sail sizes 1/2 meter apart. With modern sails having such a wide range I was thinking about making that spread .7 meters apart. I haven't spent enough time on my Ezzys to tell but so far they seem to have a very wide range. |
I've built shorter and more widely spaced quivers, and a bud's quiver is 3.2/4.2/5.2. With tuning, skill, and confidence while overpowered, they work fine. I'll often rig just a 4.X and a 6.2, and swap back and forth with major wind changes. However, widespread quivers' reduced overlap limits redundancy if damage is a concern, and there's nothing like being on juuuuuuuust the right sail on a steady day. Next best is being on a sail that is never overwhelmed or unable to plane throughout a long session or a whole day, which often uses that wide wind range to the max. MANY days I see full-sized guys trudging back and forth through the wind shadow swapping sails, trying in vain to make everything from a 4.2 to a 5.7 work, while my 6.2 just sings for hours, maybe even all day. I could damned near get by with a 6.2, a 4.2, a 3.5 and two boards for all my windsurfing, but Idonwanna. My main concession has been dropping the 2.8s and the 7.5s; neither got used.
Then there's inertia. We've (almost) always bought half-meter spacing below roughly 7 meters.
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rigatoni
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| Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Your quiver seems to make a lot of sense. You will mostly sail 4.5 and 5.0, particularly at Crissy and 3rd. There will be very few days you will need anything smaller than a 4.0 around here. If you see something used at a swap, grab it and have it for a random trip up to Tomales or out to the Delta on a big day. |
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MULLDE102f
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| Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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| I knew you could do it, bud! |
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dvCali
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 10:26 am Post subject: |
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| damel wrote: |
Simply put as sails get smaller it takes less of a change in the area to make them feel smaller or larger. As a result my quiver is setup with small changes in small sail sizes and then a larger gap in the bigger ones:
3.7(wish list)-4.1-4.5-5.0-5.8-6.6(sold)-9.5(stopped using) |
Glad you kept the 5.8! To chime in: sure if you sail only April to early September, and you sail when the wind is 20 knots (at most 50% of the days May to August), then (dah!) 5.0 and below might be all you need. Otherwise the Bay area is blessed by a lot of different winds between February and October and one or two sails in between 6.0 and 8.0 give you a huge number of extra days on the water.
To be completely honest I never really understood why we get trapped in the 5.0 or nothing hole ... a windsurfer works wonderfully in light air, and the new stuff is so light and well built that a big sail does not feel big at all, and has a huge range. |
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human_catapult
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 10:39 am Post subject: |
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| dvCali wrote: | | damel wrote: |
Simply put as sails get smaller it takes less of a change in the area to make them feel smaller or larger. As a result my quiver is setup with small changes in small sail sizes and then a larger gap in the bigger ones:
3.7(wish list)-4.1-4.5-5.0-5.8-6.6(sold)-9.5(stopped using) |
Glad you kept the 5.8! To chime in: sure if you sail only April to early September, and you sail when the wind is 20 knots (at most 50% of the days May to August), then (dah!) 5.0 and below might be all you need. Otherwise the Bay area is blessed by a lot of different winds between February and October and one or two sails in between 6.0 and 8.0 give you a huge number of extra days on the water.
To be completely honest I never really understood why we get trapped in the 5.0 or nothing hole ... a windsurfer works wonderfully in light air, and the new stuff is so light and well built that a big sail does not feel big at all, and has a huge range. |
I weigh 170lbs and sail 5.0 and below 95% of the time. I have a 5.6 that mainly collects dust. I've sailed over 100 days this year. Your statistic of <50% is completely bunk, in my opinion. I've been sailing over 20 days each month for the last 4 months, that's with taking at least 5 break days a month.
If someone is willing to drive a little bit, they don't really need anything bigger than a 5.0 or 5.2 to get a ton of sailing. It really depends on what you want to do. If you decide to stick to one or two spots (particularly in the east bay), then buy yourself a bigger sail to save yourself the drive. |
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jse
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 11:37 am Post subject: |
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| human_catapult wrote: | | dvCali wrote: | | damel wrote: |
Simply put as sails get smaller it takes less of a change in the area to make them feel smaller or larger. As a result my quiver is setup with small changes in small sail sizes and then a larger gap in the bigger ones:
3.7(wish list)-4.1-4.5-5.0-5.8-6.6(sold)-9.5(stopped using) |
Glad you kept the 5.8! To chime in: sure if you sail only April to early September, and you sail when the wind is 20 knots (at most 50% of the days May to August), then (dah!) 5.0 and below might be all you need. Otherwise the Bay area is blessed by a lot of different winds between February and October and one or two sails in between 6.0 and 8.0 give you a huge number of extra days on the water.
To be completely honest I never really understood why we get trapped in the 5.0 or nothing hole ... a windsurfer works wonderfully in light air, and the new stuff is so light and well built that a big sail does not feel big at all, and has a huge range. |
I weigh 170lbs and sail 5.0 and below 95% of the time. I have a 5.6 that mainly collects dust. I've sailed over 100 days this year. Your statistic of <50% is completely bunk, in my opinion. I've been sailing over 20 days each month for the last 4 months, that's with taking at least 5 break days a month.
If someone is willing to drive a little bit, they don't really need anything bigger than a 5.0 or 5.2 to get a ton of sailing. It really depends on what you want to do. If you decide to stick to one or two spots (particularly in the east bay), then buy yourself a bigger sail to save yourself the drive. |
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isobars
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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| dvCali wrote: | | I never really understood why we get trapped in the 5.0 or nothing hole |
Simple: terrain. Many of us get bored to death on flat water. |
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