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mac



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrgybe wrote:
mac wrote:
The risk associated with benzene emissions from crankcases and exhaust was the next largest health risk--until EPA and states like California regulated that risk by requiring fuel oxygenates. Gybe has railed against those regulations

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Conservation is the most cost-effective source of energy--another proposition and effort that gybe attacks.


Two more lies. He just never stops. A compulsion of the completely untrustworthy.


Puuhleeze. Gybe repeatedly disparaged regulations of all sorts, including those that required oxygenates to reduce benzene emissions. He went on for pages decrying the regulations, which EXXON responded to by using their proprietary oxygenate, MTBE, despite what they knew about its miscibility in water. That in turn led to lawsuits against EXXON for the contamination of water. When challenged about the health implications of various sources of automobile emissions that represent health threats, Gybe would belittle such concerns (play with your Legos?) without providing any coherent answer as to what regulations he would support or thought were appropriate. He has been an apologist for fossil fuel companies fighting regulations that save lives.

On conservation, the stimulus bill that the Obama administration crafted involved substantial investments in conservation, as did the automotive efficiency standard. Gybe opposed the stimulus bill and described it as an utter failure--using, as his wont, biased sources.

But the way in which gybe lies is more insidious, and fully revealed in these two recent statements:

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"The study examined the full life cycle of battery powered vehicles versus those powered by internal combustion engines. In summary, the greenhouse gas emissions over the life of a BEV are between 19% and 23% less than an ICEV.........worth having, but hardly the "zero emissions" touted by Tesla and the like. The cost of those modest gains are enormous. Cost of ownership of a BEV is between 44% and 60% greater than an equivalent ICEV. This despite the fact that manufacturers are hugely under-pricing their EVs. Even worse, the toxicity of BEVs is three times greater than ICEVs."


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Talking of statements of the obvious, there is a distinct difference between expressing a biased viewpoint and lying.


No, neither is correct. As to toxicity, when you look at the underlying toxicity factors--one in 10 trillion--three times greater is still trivial. Most telling in the AD Little study is their elision of the conclusion of the one study I found (cited by both EPA and AD Little) which I reproduced above. Lithium batteries are not without issues--but their risk is far less--perhaps a billion times--that of diesel emissions.

And to be clear, expressing a biased viewpoint based on false data is no different than lying.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

An underachiever likes to argue. He likes to argue about anything with everybody. He never has a target to reach any conclusion. He argues for the sake of the juicy argument which leads to a complete emotionally draining experience.

By starting an argument an underachiever, secretly seeks attention so that people he argues with could judge their advanced level of eloquence. But reasonable people have far more important things to do than wasting their time having pointless disputes.


http://havingtime.com/7-obvious-signs-of-an-underachiever/
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Caught in yet another web of fake facts about health risk and the health impacts of de-regulation, mrgybe resorts to another insult. How adult. How refined.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scum as head of EPA. But Koch-loving, gybe kind of scum: https://morningconsult.com/2017/02/22/emails-show-close-coordination-pruitts-office-energy-industry/
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't this essentially the same issue that Trump attacked Hillary about for more than a year? Claiming that she tried to keep some of her e-mails secret? This is much worse.

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New York says Secretary of State Rex Tillerson used an email alias to discuss climate change while he was Exxon Mobil Corp.’s chief executive: Wayne Tracker.

Tillerson sent messages from the account to discuss the risks posed by climate change, New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman said in a court filing about his office’s fraud investigation of the company. Tillerson, whose middle name is Wayne, used the Wayne Tracker account on the Exxon system from at least 2008 through 2015, Schneiderman said.

Schneiderman made the claim in a letter Monday to Justice Barry Ostrager in New York state court in Manhattan, accusing Exxon of failing to turn over all relevant documents required by a court order. The filing comes in a protracted legal dispute in which Exxon seeks to derail probes by New York and Massachusetts into whether the company misled investors for years about the possible impact of climate change on its business.

Tillerson used the account for "secure and expedited communications between select senior company officials and the former chairman for a broad range of business-related topics," after his primary account began receiving too many messages, Exxon spokesman Alan Jeffers said in an email.
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PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2017 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember mrgybe, who claims he always can back up his claims, disparaging the concerns of local residents about health risks from operation and expansion of the Richmond refinery. Here's the state's response to the sad fact that Chevron managers ignored their own safety rules:

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California regulators on Thursday approved new safety rules for oil refineries, nearly five years after a major fire at Chevron’s Richmond facility sent thousands of East Bay residents to hospitals.
The regulations are designed to anticipate potential problems and prevent accidents that could harm refinery workers and surrounding communities. Christine Baker, director of the California Department of Industrial Relations, called the rules the “most protective” in the country.
The board of the department’s Division of Occupational Safety and Health, known as Cal/OSHA, approved the rules after a long drafting process begun after the Aug. 6, 2012, Chevron fire. Six refinery employees suffered minor injuries from the fire, while an estimated 15,000 area residents went to hospitals complaining of respiratory problems.
“This new regulation will ensure California’s oil refineries are operated with the highest levels of safety possible and with injury and illness prevention in mind,” Baker said in a press release.


Left to their own, the oil companies would kill even more people. That is precisely what Trump's de-regulatory efforts, if successful, will accomplish.
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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ya who cares if toxic waste is put in the air. Who needs to breathe anyway...

THE DECONSTRUCTION OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE STATE:
-- New York Times,
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“How Rollbacks at Scott Pruitt’s E.P.A. Are a Boon to Oil and Gas,” by Hiroko Tabuchi and Eric Lipton: "In a gas field in Wyoming’s struggling energy corridor, nearly 2,000 miles from Washington, the Trump administration’s regulatory reversal is crowning an early champion. Devon Energy, which runs the windswept site, had been prepared to install a sophisticated system to detect and reduce leaks of dangerous gases. It had also discussed paying a six-figure penalty to settle claims by the Obama administration that it was illegally emitting 80 tons each year of hazardous chemicals, like benzene, a known carcinogen. But something changed in February just five days after Scott Pruitt, the former Oklahoma attorney general with close ties to Devon, was sworn in as the head of the [EPA]. Devon, in a letter dated Feb. 22 … said it was ‘re-evaluating its settlement posture.’ It no longer intended to move ahead with the extensive emissions-control system, second-guessing the E.P.A.’s estimates on the size of the violation, and it was now willing to pay closer to $25,000 to end the three-year-old federal investigation. The extraordinary about-face reflects the onset of an experiment in Trump’s Washington that is meant to fundamentally reorder the relationship between government and business.”

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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2017 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A windsurfing friend, former Alaskan salmon fisherman, posted a picture by David Janka of oil soaked sediments, this week, in Prince Edward Sound. Just so we don't forget what corporate responsibility, the Exxon way, looks like.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/03/photogalleries/exxon-valdez-anniversary/
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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2017 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We don't have to go back nearly 30 years to learn about corporate responsibility at Berkeley's long time employer. This quote, from just a few weeks ago, captures the essence of decades long behavior......

"For decades, the City and Port of Oakland have issued approvals to expand polluting freight activities in West Oakland while ignoring input from the community, betraying a deep disregard for the health of local families. That pattern continues to this day, causing West Oakland residents to suffer from diesel emissions that are up to 90 times higher than California’s average. The City and Port of Oakland have consistently ignored federal protections against discrimination, leading to toxic air and unhealthy burdens for [historically black] West Oakland residents. "
http://earthjustice.org/news/press/2017/community-group-alleges-civil-rights-violations-by-the-city-and-port-of-oakland-in-complaint-to-federal

My apologies if this should have been posted under the "Racism and America" thread.
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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2017 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diversions. With fake news. Debunked. Take a gander at the pools of oil. Exxon knew the skipper was a drunk. Corporate responsibility, gybe style.
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