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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not surprised that mrgybe won't comment on the cost per mile of electric vehicles when compared to gasoline. The trends are down, as they are in solar power generation. The cost of a solar panel in 1977 was $77/watt. Current cost is $0.64/watt. Some say that the price for solar generation will continue to drop, but then Scientific American is not a credible source for the Alex Jones boys: https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/plugged-in/the-price-of-solar-is-declining-to-unprecedented-lows/

particularly when they use research from Phd's at Cal Berkeley. The oilies prefer religious schools who don't teach evolution.

It's all about money. Alternative sources and conservation threaten the entire economic model of the carbon industry. Obama pushed the economics and technology in the right direction--or more precisely, the correct direction.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are plastics really a good idea? Real watermen know the answer. https://www.redbull.com/us-en/gnarliest-ocean-crossings-sup-swim-row-paddle?linkId=39056465
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koch's pony up $400 million for next election cycle to make sure that regulations are oil-friendly. Trump's head of EPA meets privately with chemical companies, backs off regulation of pesticide: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/29/us/politics/epa-insecticide-chlorpyrifos.html

Courts overrule EPA on backing off on methane regulations: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/03/climate/court-blocks-epa-effort-to-suspend-obama-era-methane-rule.html

Thank goodness the knuckle draggers are so incompetent.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does big oil take responsibility for the Benghazi attacks? Why were we there?

I never was aware of this...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/revealed-inside-story-of-us-envoys-assassination-8135797.html

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Some of the missing papers from the consulate are said to list names of Libyans who are working with Americans, putting them potentially at risk from extremist groups, while some of the other documents are said to relate to oil contracts.


and gee here is why the hired protectors walked away... Never heard about this either. all those hearings and this was not a prominent finding...

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Wissam Buhmeid, the commander of the Tripoli government-sanctioned Libya's Shield Brigade, effectively a police force for Benghazi, maintained that it was anger over the Mohamed video which made the guards abandon their post. "There were definitely people from the security forces who let the attack happen because they were themselves offended by the film; they would absolutely put their loyalty to the Prophet over the consulate. The deaths are all nothing compared to insulting the Prophet."

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the wake of yet another fine for Exxon, this time for violating the sanctions against Russia, it is timely to look back at their big spill in Alaska. Some have claimed that all of the oil has been cleaned up and Exxon has mended their errant ways. One of my long-term windsurfing buddies used to fish in Alaska. He and others tend to have a less rosy view of Exxon than their apologist on this forum. From 2013:

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The long-term plan for rehabilitating damaged resources has yet to be implemented a full quarter century after the Exxon Valdez oil tanker ran aground in Prince William Sound, Alaska, spewing more than 11 million gallons of crude oil into the surrounding ecosystem.
According to documents released today by Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility, the U.S. Justice Department and State of Alaska say they are still waiting for long overdue scientific studies before collecting a final $92 million claim to implement the recovery plan for unanticipated harm to fish, wildlife and habitat.
Cleaning up the Exxon Valdez disaster took four summers and cost approximately $2 billion, according to the Exxon Valdez Oil Spill Trustee Council. In 1991, Exxon reached a civil settlement with the U.S. government and the state of Alaska in which it agreed to pay $900 million in payments, a $25 million criminal fine and $100 million in restitution.
The plea agreement also contained a “reopener” window, during which governments could claim up to $100 million in additional payments from Exxon to restore resources that suffered a substantial loss or decline as a result of the oil spill and which were not foreseen at the time of the initial settlement.
In 1996, the federal government and the state of Alaska notified Exxon that, pursuant to the reopener, additional restoration would be necessary to address long-term environmental damages and clean up lingering oil, at an estimated cost of $92 million.Fast-forward seven years, and ExxonMobil, the most profitable publicly traded company in the world, has yet to pay up — in fact, they’ve been fighting the claims all along. Last year, Exxon failed to persuade a federal judge to bar the U.S. and Alaskan governments from pursuing further damage claims related to the 1989 spill. In his order, U.S. District Judge H. Russell Holland wrote, “Exxon presently suffers no particular harm. Its business is not in any fashion disrupted or impeded because of the uncertainty of a claim by the governments.”
According to PEER documents, “the U.S. Justice Department and Alaska cited ‘unforeseen contracting issues,’ delays in ‘sample analysis’ and stalled peer reviews as reasons why they have not begun implementing its ‘multi-phase restoration project’ outlined back in 2006.”

As Ivy Fredrickson of the Ocean Conservancy explains, a major difficulty in requiring Exxon to pay for the ongoing damage to the affected ecosystem is that the government has struggled to meet the conditions of the reopener. The Exxon Valdez reopener stated that in order for a claim to be valid, “injury to the affected population, habitat, or species could not reasonably have been known nor could it reasonably have been anticipated by any Trustee from any information in the possession of or reasonably available to any Trustee on the Effective Date.”
Therefore, “by rejecting anything that could have reasonably been anticipated, the clause denies a reopener claim for anything but an injury that was unprecedented or wholly new to science … The result of the Exxon Valdez reopener is that Trustees were left with no recourse for injuries from the spill that became evident after settlement.”
Ultimately, no one really knows what the long-term impacts of large-scale oil spills will be. Following the Exxon Valdez oil spill, for instance, the region’s productive herring fishery suddenly collapsed four years after the spill occurred, and it has yet to recover.
In addition, oil has lingered in the ecosystem far longer than many predicted. A 2001 National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration study surveyed 96 sites along 8,000 miles of coastline and found that “a total area of approximately 20 acres of shoreline in Prince William Sound is still contaminated with oil. Oil was found at 58 percent of the 91 sites assessed and is estimated to have the linear equivalent of 5.8 km of contaminated shoreline.”
In 2010, the journal Nature explained that some researchers initially calculated that Exxon Valdez’s oil would dissipate within years or even months or that it would quickly degrade or be washed away by high-pressure hoses. However, due to the natural geology of the environment, pockets of oil have remained, buried half a meter below the surface of some beaches.
Critics of the delay say the ongoing struggle to hold Exxon accountable for unanticipated environmental damages in Alaska offers clear lessons to be learned regarding the continuing process of determining BP’s long-term liability for the Deepwater Horizon catastrophe, a spill that was 20 times larger than Exxon Valdez.



Here in California, those who had to work with Exxon know it as the sign of the double cross.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And in this morning's feed, Halliburton agrees to a $29.2 million fine with the SEC for bookkeeping "irregularities", commonly known as hiding the money paid for bribes, in Angola. Of course they did so without "admitting" wrongdoing--like the Trump casino money laundering, or his settlement for racial discrimination in housing.

Why is it that the law and order folks are the biggest scofflaws?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rex is no dummy, he jumped out of the burning building to hide in the bosom of the Donald....78.84 and going lower.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Criticism of Tillerson is increasing: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/06/us/politics/rex-tillerson-state-department.html?mwrsm=Facebook

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/04/why-has-rex-tillerson-belly-flopped-as-secretary-of-state/amp/

The most charitable thing that could be said about Trump's "plan" to be President is that he is committed to blowing up as many things as he can before he gets the boot. But he is too foolish to understand that changing institutions takes both insight and hard work.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

electric car life appears to be exceeding estimates....

https://shift.newco.co/amp/p/38b843bd4fe0

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The lies (not to mention cherry-picking and spin) from the carbon industries never end. Positively Trumpian in their dishonesty. http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/clean-coal-utility-giant-sued-over-claims-it-misled-investors/article/2631027
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