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real-human
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| mrgybe wrote: | | Conservatives will readily agree that Petreaus made a huge mistake for which he deserves to be punished, and which disqualifies him from the White House. Liberals simply cannot bring themselves to draw the same conclusion about HRC. She is relying upon that type of blind obeisance from the plebs. |
ya for gettinging into a persons pants and give out top secret info in person willingly. He wanted into the panties and a book so bad he was willing to betray his country.
your false equivalency here is so pathetic it is definitely laughable. Her server was safer than the state departments as it turns out..
She was not looking to give any info to anyone... Either does it appear was Condi Rice or Colon Powell.
But as it appears properly coined in advance betraus trade for monetary gain in book sales or immediate sexual service. Betrayus did this fully knowing and intentionally with malice he was giving out top secret.. If anything the Betrayus one begs for loss of all pensions because his was for sexual favors and to make money..
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mrgybe said:
blind obeisance from the plebs
Pejoratives like that reveal ignorance (and arrogance), not an interest in solutions.
I'm guessing mrgybe didn't pay attention to the gospel this morning. |
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pointster
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| mrgybe wrote: | | HC was trained in the handling of sensitive information. That training is required to be repeated annually. She ignored the training and went her own way, thus exposing national security matters to interception. In any well run organization, and even in the government, she would be fired for doing that. I personally believe that she knew what she was doing, but even if she didn't, her actions were a serious misjudgement which require sanction. If she was not smart enough to understand how dangerous her actions were in a matter a straightforward as this, she most certainly is not a suitable candidate for the most powerful job on earth. As for illegality, I have heard many persuasive arguments that she breached a number of laws. Purported ignorance of the law is no defense. We shall see if the well connected are given the same treatment as those less powerful. |
Could you perhaps cite the laws she has purportedly broken? |
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mrgybe
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Those have been cited numerous times here, and thousands of times in the media. Do a little legwork. And for those who struggle with anything more subtle than a cream pie in the face, or can't comprehend that a bunch of Nazis chucking papers out of windows is a spoof, not an investigative report.......my inference was that it is the Clintons who take a Helmsley like view of the electorate and regard them as plebs i.e. not very smart and willing to overlook egregious behavior that would sink any other politician. They may be right. Here's another one that just doesn't matter.....as long as you are a Clinton.
(CNN) - Since 2001, Hillary and Bill Clinton have together earned $153 million from giving speeches. The two made a total of 729 speaking appearances over the last 15 years. The Democratic presidential candidate and former president report at least $7.7 million of that from speeches at big banks, including Goldman Sachs and UBS. Hillary Clinton has received criticism for her ties to Wall Street during her campaign.
Clinton fired back saying speaking engagements do not affect her politics.
Of course they don't Hillary. It's only other politicians that are influenced by massive cash from special interest groups. |
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real-human
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| Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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| mrgybe wrote: | Those have been cited numerous times here, and thousands of times in the media. Do a little legwork. And for those who struggle with anything more subtle than a cream pie in the face, or can't comprehend that a bunch of Nazis chucking papers out of windows is a spoof, not an investigative report.......my inference was that it is the Clintons who take a Helmsley like view of the electorate and regard them as plebs i.e. not very smart and willing to overlook egregious behavior that would sink any other politician. They may be right. Here's another one that just doesn't matter.....as long as you are a Clinton.
(CNN) - Since 2001, Hillary and Bill Clinton have together earned $153 million from giving speeches. The two made a total of 729 speaking appearances over the last 15 years. The Democratic presidential candidate and former president report at least $7.7 million of that from speeches at big banks, including Goldman Sachs and UBS. Hillary Clinton has received criticism for her ties to Wall Street during her campaign.
Clinton fired back saying speaking engagements do not affect her politics.
Of course they don't Hillary. It's only other politicians that are influenced by massive cash from special interest groups. |
your right wing supreme idiots told us that is a fact... citizens united....
now a dem can take a right wingers money and not help them. Too bad.
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| mrgybe wrote: | | Conservatives will readily agree that Petreaus made a huge mistake for which he deserves to be punished, and which disqualifies him from the White House. |
Absolutely.
And just the stuff Hillary ADMITS is much worse ... not even counting her SAP crimes. |
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mac
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| Once again the insult master and the lunatic from Richland failed to justify the actions of then Vice President Cheney. Outing a CIA agent to help build a campaign of lies to go to war in Iraq involved not merely an intentional leak of classified information--it led to the worst foreign policy mistake since the Vietnam. The destabilization of Iraq, caused by lies and incompetence, is one of the greatest human tragedies since World War II. Nobody on the Republican side has the balls to avoid making the same mistake again. Nobody on the right will recognize crimes when a Republican commits them. |
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| isobars wrote: | | mrgybe wrote: | | Conservatives will readily agree that Petreaus made a huge mistake for which he deserves to be punished, and which disqualifies him from the White House. |
Absolutely.
And just the stuff Hillary ADMITS is much worse ... not even counting her SAP crimes. |
what a stupid post as usual, you coward.
give me the money spent on hillary investigating her from the days her husband was president in todays money to investigate, Bush/cheney with no grand jury indictments by two ultra partisan right wing prosecutors. again a big zero you waco. Show me the indictments you coward who lives off taxpayer money to post your hate..
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/all-the-terrible-things-hillary-clinton-has-done-in-one-big-list-2016-02-04?mod=mw_share_facebook
Hillary Clinton looked bored at last year’s Benghazi hearing. That surely means she’s guilty of something, right?
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BRETT
ARENDS
COLUMNIST
DOVER, N.H. (MarketWatch) — I have a confession to make: I can’t keep up.
Am I supposed to hate Hillary Rodham Clinton because she’s too left-wing, or too right-wing? Because she’s too feminist, or not feminist enough? Because she’s too clever a politician, or too clumsy?
Am I supposed to be mad that she gave speeches to rich bankers, or that she charged them too much money?
I’m up here in New Hampshire watching her talk to a group of supporters, and I realized that I have been following this woman’s career for more than half my life. No, not just my adult life: the whole shebang. She came onto the national scene when I was a young man.
And for all that time, there has been a deafening chorus of critics telling me that she’s just the most wicked, evil, Machiavellian, nefarious individual in American history. She has “the soul of an East German border guard,” in the words of that nice Grover Norquist. She’s a “bitch,” in the words of that nice Newt Gingrich. She’s a “dragon lady.” She’s “Elena Ceaușescu.” She’s “the Lady Macbeth of Little Rock.”
Long before “Benghazi” and her email server, there was “Whitewater” and “the Rose Law Firm” and “Vince Foster.” For those of us following her, we were promised scandal after scandal after scandal. And if no actual evidence ever turned up, well, that just proved how deviously clever she was.
So today I’m performing a public service on behalf of all the voters. I went back and re-read all the criticisms and attacks and best-selling “exposes” leveled at Hillary Rodham Clinton over the past quarter century. And I’ve compiled a list of all her High Crimes and Misdemeanors.
Here they are:
1. When she was first lady, she murdered White House lawyer Vince Foster and then dumped his body in a park.
2. She drove Vince Foster to commit suicide through her temper tantrums.
3. She was having an affair with Vince Foster.
4. She’s a lesbian.
5. Chelsea isn’t Bill Clinton’s child.
6. She murdered Vince Foster to cover up that she once bought a tract of undeveloped land in Arkansas and lost money.
7. She murdered Vince Foster to cover up her role in firing the White House travel department.
8. After she murdered Vince Foster, she ransacked his office in the middle of the night and stole all the documents proving her guilt.
9. When Bill was governor of Arkansas, she was a partner in the state’s top law firm, and it sometimes did work involving the state government.
10. She once invested in commodities futures on the advice of a friend and made $100,000, proving she’s a crook.
11. She once invested in real estate on the advice of another friend and lost $100,000, also proving she’s a crook.
12. Unnamed and unverifiable sources have told Peggy Noonan things about the Clintons that are simply too terrible to repeat.
13. The personnel murdered at Benghazi make her the first secretary of state to lose overseas personnel to terrorism — apart from Condi Rice, Colin Powell, Madeleine Albright, George Schultz, Dean Rusk and some others.
14. Four State Department staff were murdered at Benghazi, compared with only 119 others murdered overseas under every secretary of state combined since World War II.
15. She illegally sent classified emails from her personal server, except that apparently they weren’t classified at the time.
16. She may have cynically wriggled around the email law by “technically” complying with it.
17. She once signed a lucrative book contract when she was a private citizen.
18. Donald Trump says she “should be in jail,” and he’s a serial bankrupt casino developer in Atlantic City, so he should know.
19. Former House Majority Leader Tom Delay says his “law-enforcement sources” tell him she is “about to be indicted” — and if a man once convicted of money laundering and conspiracy doesn’t have good law-enforcement sources, who does?
20. She’s a hard-left radical who wants to break up the nuclear family.
21. She’s a conservative “mousewife” who refused to break up her own family.
22. She’s in favor of single moms.
23. She refused to be a single mom.
24. When she was first lady of Arkansas, she pandered to conservative voters by dyeing her hair.
25. Before that, she totally insulted them by refusing to.
26. She’s a frump.
27. She spends too much money on designer dresses.
28. She has “cankles.”
29. She has a grating voice.
30. She yells into the microphone.
31. She spent 18 years in Arkansas and some of the people she knew turned out to be crazy rednecks and crooks.
32. She’s in the pay of the mafia.
33. She’s in the pay of the Chinese government.
34. She’s in the pay of the Wall Street banks.
35. In order to suppress the billing records from her time at the Rose Law Firm in Little Rock, she cleverly packed them up and took them to the White House rather than shredding them.
36. When she handed over the documents to public officials, they couldn’t find any evidence she’d committed any crimes, so she must have doctored them.
37. Congress spent tens of millions of dollars and six years investigating her investment in the “Whitewater” real estate project, and while they didn’t actually find anything, they wouldn’t have spent all that money if there weren’t something there.
38. By cleverly hiding all evidence of her crimes in the “Whitewater” affair, she caused Congress to waste all that taxpayers’ money.
39. When she ran for senator of New York, she was still a fan of the Chicago Cubs.
40. She once said the Clintons were thinking of adopting a child, and they didn’t follow through.
41. She was photographed holding her hand near her mouth during the raid that killed Osama bin Laden.
42. She’s got brain damage.
43. She’s old.
44. She’s really ambitious and calculating, unlike all the other people running for president.
45. She secretly supported Palestinian terrorists, Puerto Rican terrorists and Guatemalan terrorists.
46. She secretly supported a group that wants to give Maine back to the Indians.
47. She’s a secret follower of “radical prophet” Saul Alinsky.
48. She did her law degree at Yale, and it’s a well-known “socialist finishing school.”
49. When she was young, she did things to build up her resume rather than just for their own good.
50. When Bill was president, she “allowed” him to keep people waiting.
51. She’s married to a sex addict.
52. She’s an enemy of traditional marriage.
53. She didn’t divorce her husband.
54. His philandering is her fault because she is too strong, and too weak, and too frumpy, and too fat, and too cold.
55. She’s hostile to women who fool around with her husband.
56. A divorced taxi driver in Florida told me that if Hillary is elected president, “women will take over everything.”
57. She insulted Tammy Wynette.
58. When they left the White House, she and Bill bought a big house in New York that they couldn’t afford.
59. She sometimes calls her staff during dinner, even when they’re out at a restaurant.
60. She claimed there was a “vast right-wing conspiracy” against her husband, and turned out there was nothing but a bunch of tycoons financing private investigators, and some fake think-tanks and books and news sites and stuff.
61. When she got married, she didn’t “stay at home and bake cookies.”
62. She supported the Iraq War because she’s a secret foreign-policy conservative.
63. She’s a secret foreign-policy radical with a plan to impose worldwide “radical social experimentation” through the World Bank.
64. She is secretly plotting to let children sue their parents for making them take out the garbage.
65. She looked bored during the Benghazi hearings.
66. Oh, yeah — and she totally has a vagina.
It’s clear: Hillary must be stopped. Hearings now! |
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| mrgybe wrote: | Those have been cited numerous times here, and thousands of times in the media. Do a little legwork. And for those who struggle with anything more subtle than a cream pie in the face, or can't comprehend that a bunch of Nazis chucking papers out of windows is a spoof, not an investigative report.......my inference was that it is the Clintons who take a Helmsley like view of the electorate and regard them as plebs i.e. not very smart and willing to overlook egregious behavior that would sink any other politician. They may be right. Here's another one that just doesn't matter.....as long as you are a Clinton.
(CNN) - Since 2001, Hillary and Bill Clinton have together earned $153 million from giving speeches. The two made a total of 729 speaking appearances over the last 15 years. The Democratic presidential candidate and former president report at least $7.7 million of that from speeches at big banks, including Goldman Sachs and UBS. Hillary Clinton has received criticism for her ties to Wall Street during her campaign.
Clinton fired back saying speaking engagements do not affect her politics.
Of course they don't Hillary. It's only other politicians that are influenced by massive cash from special interest groups. |
Geez...Mr G...full blown populist--suits you well. Its a free country, and if making speeches earns you big money, then great for them!!!! What the hell has happened to this country?? |
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