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pueno



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

swchandler wrote:
...better than 30 left wing cyber-bullies stalking a helpless senior right in our own backyard.

Stalking a helpless DISABLED senior who windsurfs and races motorcycles.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iso, you just ordered batteries from Amazon.com and the feds know to look in your garbage next week for used batteries. You just committed a felony thanks to meta-data.

BTW, who is so stupid as to be "anti wilderness"?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevenbard wrote:
Iso, you just ordered batteries from Amazon.com and the feds know to look in your garbage next week for used batteries. You just committed a felony thanks to meta-data.

BTW, who is so stupid as to be "anti wilderness"?

They're welcome to look. We recycle ours properly. Besides, honest officials are using these data to find jihadis, not scofflaws. Again, I'm talking concepts here, not political realities such as Eric Holder.

Wilderness programs, like Medicare, Obamaphones, and TARP funds, are being abused. I've worked with state, federal, and private environmental agencies, and all of them do a great deal of harm along with the good they may do. I've seen first hand the beginnings of the Grand Canyon dam the Sierra Club stopped many decades ago, but I've also seen federal court judgments threatening them with prison if they fabricate another endangered species. I saw the Wilderness Society tell the federal head of the BLM that they had a right to sit on any mountaintop without being able to see any evidence of mankind, at any distance, in/on land, sea, or sky. And Bobby Unser, besides being a maverick, feels that a snowmobile does not harm the land (the noise is another matter) in a wilderness area. I've ridden mine on snow-covered golf courses and closed-for-the-season ski slopes with no objection or harm.

Moreover, the federal government, at the bidding of those lovely groups of overzealous and mindnumbingly ignorant* freaks mentioned above, tried very hard to seal off from public access large percentages of many states under Wilderness setaside legislation. Essentially, it could decree any land not yet significantly developed to be potential Wilderness land, off limits to any and every one until the government got around to examining it with a fine toothed comb ... with neither funding nor deadlines. Most of our western and intermountain public lands free of paved highways and large buildings (e.g., that's much, maybe most, of Utah) were at risk of being shut down essentially permanently.

* The Wilderness Society argued that the government should decree that all mines -- you know, those big holes dug to extract minerals -- should be moved from those lands and relocated to areas already trashed by man. (For you lefties, that not only means digging up and moving a hole, but also assumes that the only requirement for extracting gold ... or oil, or bauxite, or coal, or a treasure chest ... is digging a randomly located hole.)

Yes, "wilderness" is about as bad as, say, nuclear technology or machine guns in that all of them have huge potential for misuse.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's been one year now since this happened, and we are no closer now to knowing the truth.
There are many survivors of the terrorist attack, including 15 CIA operatives on the ground at the time. We have yet been able to hear what any of them has to say. That totally sucks.
I feel sorry for the families of the lost, all of which still know nothing. This is a hard day for them.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about all those eyewitness accounts in
" Under Fire: The Untold Story of the Attack in Benghazi." Really minute by minute account
Not everyone on the ground there was CIA. There is a lot of eyewitness stuff that has come out, but certain partisans deny all witnesses who do not produce proof it was Obamas fault.
No such witness has come forward so that means in the FOX News world we know little about these events.
I suspect that many of the families have read some of the tens of thousands of pages of independent investigations and the book noted above.
There is far more there than the one paragraph explanation I got when my Dad died.

I agree about the families. Unlike in Fox World I also feel bad for the families of the 17 other embassy staff and countless CIA contractors that have died since 2000. Their deaths are barely news in the Fox World.
There is no clear way to blame them on Obama so who cares about those stiffs anyway?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's like a governmental mason jar.
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Congressman: CIA Employee Who Refused to Sign Non-Disclosure on Benghazi Suspended
Rep. Wolf: Employee forced to hire legal counsel

September 17, 2013 5:00 am

A CIA employee who refused to sign a non-disclosure agreement barring him from discussing the Sept. 11, 2012 terrorist attack in Benghazi, Libya, has been suspended as a result and forced to hire legal counsel, according to a top House lawmaker.

Rep. Frank Wolf (R., Va.) revealed at an event on Monday that his office was anonymously informed about the CIA employee, who is purportedly facing an internal backlash after refusing to sign a legal document barring him from publicly or privately discussing events surrounding the Benghazi attack.

The revelation comes about a month after several media outlets reported that CIA employees with knowledge of the terror attack had been forced to sign non-disclosure agreements (NDA) and submit to regular polygraph tests.

“The reports on the NDA are accurate. We’re getting people who call,” Wolf said Monday during an event marking the launch of the Citizens’ Commission on Benghazi, a panel of former military and intelligence officials who are investigating unanswered questions surrounding the Benghazi incident.

Wolf’s office first received the anonymous call earlier in the summer, soon after CNN and Fox News reported on the NDAs and polygraph tests.

The caller told Wolf’s staff that an unnamed CIA employee has been suspended after refusing to sign a Benghazi-related NDA.

“My office received a call from a man saying that he knew a CIA employee who has retained legal counsel because he has refused to sign an additional NDA regarding the Sept. 11, 2012, events in Benghazi,” Wolf said in Sept. 9 remarks at a panel discussion hosted by Judicial Watch.

“I called the law firm and spoke with CIA employee’s attorney who confirmed that her client is having an issue with the agency and the firm is trying to address it,” Wolf said. “Based on my past experiences with the CIA, which is headquartered in my congressional district, I am not at all confident that these efforts will be successful.”

The NDA agreements are meant to instill fear in employees and stop them from speaking “to the media or Congress,” Wolf said on Monday.

The CIA declined to comment directly on Wolf’s charges, but forwarded the Washington Free Beacon a letter sent to Congress from CIA Director John Brennan in which he denies charges that the agency has forced employees to sign NDAs and submit to polygraph tests.

“I want to assure you that I will not tolerate any effort to prevent our intelligence oversight committee from doing their jobs,” Brennan hand wrote at the bottom of the letter.

The CIA reiterated its denial in a Tuesday call to a Free Beacon reporter, calling Wolf’s allegations “categorically false.”

Monday’s Benghazi discussion came on the same day that House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R., Calif.) released a report detailing multiple shortcomings in the State Department’s internal investigation into failures related to the Benghazi attack.

Issa says that the State Department “obstructed” congressional investigators, was “not comprehensive” in nature, “did not conduct thorough interviews,” and that more senior officials were not held to account.

“The ARB was not fully independent,” Issa said in a statement. “The panel did not exhaustively examine failures and it has led to an unacceptable lack of accountability.”

“While Ambassador [Thomas] Pickering and Admiral [Michael] Mullen have honorably served their country, the families of victims and the American people continue to wait for more conclusive answers about how our government left our own personnel so vulnerable and alone the night of the attack,” Issa said.

The newly formed Citizens’ Commission on Benghazi has similar goals as congressional investigators but is not confined by rules governing the legislative body, speakers at the event said.

Retired Air Force Col. Richard Brauer, cofounder of the group Special Operations Speaks, said the committee would aim to find out why U.S. military assets were ordered to “stand down” during the Benghazi attack.

“We’re tired of the lies and the cover-up that continues to this day,” Brauer said. “Who gave the order” to stand down, “to remain in place in Tripoli and the other locations and do nothing. When was this order given and why?”

“Forces were available on that very night, likely champing at the bit, but they were told to stand down,” he said. “These are words that will live in infamy.”

http://freebeacon.com/cia-employee-who-refused-to-sign-non-disclosure-on-benghazi-suspended/

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NW--you continue to make my days hilarious with new sources of knuckle-dragging. Never met a source from the right you didn't consider worth reposting, eh?

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The Washington Free Beacon, a new website on the right, has a particular fascination with promoting weapon sales to Taiwan. In addition to daily hits on the Obama administration and Democrats, the Free Beacon has multiple posts calling for more F-16 fighter jet sales to the island nation, and has branded skeptics of militarization as “pro-China” activists.

The site, however, fails to disclose the fact that its sponsor is a lobbyist for a firm dedicated to helping Taiwan advance its policy agenda.

Michael Goldfarb, a former Republican staffer and writer, founded the Free Beacon with “several million dollars” in January of this year. Listed as the chairman of the 501(c) group that sponsors the Free Beacon website, Goldfarb is also a partner at the lobbying and public relations firm Orion Strategies, LLC.


Oh, I'm convinced by the strength of your arguments! What a sales job! Is RR impressed?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NW30, the Benghazi event is becoming a bit of a cult thing for you and a cast of questionable characters from the Republican right wing. What's your goal? Continue to fish until you find something?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is amazing to me, is that none of the liberals on this thread will admit that the president and his administration lied, misled, and now are trying to cover up the investigation.

Just today they fired one witness to the attack who refused to sign a non-disclosure agreement. His career is over. Let's hope he speaks out sooner rather than later.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

swchandler wrote:
NW30, the Benghazi event is becoming a bit of a cult thing for you and a cast of questionable characters from the Republican right wing. What's your goal? Continue to fish until you find something?

I don't accept your assessment about it being a cult thing, wanting to sweep it under the rug, and move on, would be a cult thing, a left wing cult thing.

My goal? To keep it from being swept under the rug and forgotten, nothing more, as well as to irritate the left wing cultists,,,,,,,,,, apparently.

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