Pipe dream? Obamacare

isobars · Joined: 12 Dec 1999 Posts: 20935

Holy Grail, Batman; is coboardhead finally seeing the light?

nw30 · Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:14 pm Post subject:

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mac · Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:23 pm Post subject:

46% approval rate. Tea party--

coboardhead · Joined: 26 Oct 2009 Posts: 4303

NW

I wonder how many of the folks who feel misled on the ACA would have changed their vote if they had known that their insurance plans could be canceled? Many of us, that were paying attention, know that our individual plans were a rip off. Good for minor health issues and an occasional injury. But, heaven help us, should we develop a chronic health issue.

Elections turn into sound bites instead of indepth analysis. It is a sign of the times that we cannot have indepth policy analysis presented.

I am not surprised that folks are losing these crappy plans. What I am surprised at is how many folks were blindsided by it. Clearly, a failure to communicate these provisions of the plan. But, would it have changed the election? No...look at the pie chart in my earlier post. Not everyone of these folks vote, many are conservatives (small businessmen and professionals) and some of us even do the math on our own. We really are talking about a relatively small fraction of the electorate that is affected.

The fuss is larger now, cause nobody trusts that they will not also be affected. This has developed a larger life than it should. Bad politics.

nw30 · Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:08 pm Post subject:

cbh, so you bought the "crappy plan" excuse, bummer, to do that, you'd have to accept that the policy holders had no idea of what kind of plan they have, which leads to the notion that you think that most policy holders are idiots!
This is exactly what pisses me off about the excuses that I am hearing, the general public is nothing but a bunch of hapless idiots that couldn't find their way out of a big paper bag.

Instead we get the ruling class, that thinks that they can do all of our thinking for us, and you accept it.
That's really sad, no trust in the basic intelligence of our people, the majority of which are against O'care.

feuser · Joined: 29 Oct 2002 Posts: 1508

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coboardhead · Joined: 26 Oct 2009 Posts: 4303

NW

I "bought" no such argument.

I have personally witnessed several medical bankruptcies caused when people thought they had insurance and had large claims denied for a number of reasons or had policies not renewed.

You can continue to live in denial about how great the previous system was for us that do not have access to group plans or you can do a little real research for once. I had NO options but to accept insurance that could be cancelled at any anniversary date the insurer chose. I have had this type of insurance for over twenty years and nev filed a claim yet have bee cancelled twice before this time over "policy changes".

Medical costs have been increasing at double the cost of inflation. 50 percent of costs are borne by the governments. It is obvious to anyone who can do rudimentary math that this is unsustainable.

swchandler · Joined: 08 Nov 1993 Posts: 10588

NW30, let me share a bit of reality for you. So many on the right are against Social Security, and as we all know, President Bush tried unsuccessfully to privatize it. Yet, there are still those today on the right that say that folks are being cheated by a government Ponzi scheme instead of having an opportunity to invest their money in a more private and lucrative way. Of course, the fact that folks can already invest significantly in IRAs, 401K and 403B plans is rarely discussed during a Social Security bashing.

Yet, when it comes down to it, are the majority of Americans sensibly saving and investing in their future? The real answer is no. The truth is that better than 90% of Americans depend on Social Security for the majority of their income in retirement. Seemingly, there are too many other things to spend your money on during one's career.

Are most Americans really smart and on top the their game? When it comes to planning for a comfortable retirement, it would appear that they aren't.

nw30 · Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:17 am Post subject:

nw30 · Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:24 am Post subject:

cbh, I know that there are problems with the system before Obamacare, I never said anything in that direction, sure there have been some problems which is why I'm in favor of some kind of health insurance reform. But I'm not in favor of the entire system of healthcare to be reformed, that's just being greedy for power when you want to reform the entire system, when only a portion of it needs to be altered.