Gun Nuts

mac · Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 1:21 pm Post subject:

Once again, arguement by anecdote. Sigh.

isobars · Joined: 12 Dec 1999 Posts: 20935

Didja notice the D congressman who claimed that there was a school shooting every week last year (he claimed over 100)? Didja see the FACTS he deliberately distorted, that in FACT there were "just" 10 all year?

The gun nuts are those who blame everything on guns, just as most racists are those who blame everything on racism.

nw30 · Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 2:06 pm Post subject:

Hardly an anecdote, just more solid evidence that harsher gun laws don't give you your desired effect.
You should sigh.
Family structure and education is what you should be focusing on.

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nw30 · Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 8:14 pm Post subject:

mac · Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 9:35 pm Post subject:

Often I look at the kids I teach in school and think that they deserve better parents. It is true that the society as a whole, and particularly the institutions of government, are a poor substitute for good parents. But that is only changed with social institutions. Without strong institutions, poverty is an astonishingly effective corrosive that eats away at kids. While schools and alternative adult leadership helps, they are not perfect solutions.

But back to the reason I sighed at NW's nonsensical posting. The 90% of Americans that support background checks don't expect it to stop all violence. The idea that any number of shootings in Chicago means that gun control is an idle exercise is just an effort at diversion, or worse yet, an inability to think. There is a saying that I use a lot when faced with attitudes like NW's, whether on the left or the right. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of good. Hardly original, but nobody knows, from the information we collect, how effective gun control is in Chicago. If anyone suggests that a constitutionally acceptable form of gun control must stop all murders or it is a failure, they are a fool. Murders occur in poor communities, most commonly associated with the drug trade. They also occur in Mexico, in a much more horrifying manner. While that means that the "war on drugs" has failed, it does not mean that drugs are a good thing, or that I support drugs. Rather, that there are difficult and sometimes unsolvable problems.

Keeping more guns out of the hands of the mentally ill, and those with criminal records that show a tendency to violence, is a valid reason to require licensing of guns. We license cars, which have far fewer side effects.

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swchandler · Joined: 08 Nov 1993 Posts: 10588

"O'Reilly's solution could be very quick and maybe even effective: make any offense in which the perp is carrying a gun a federal crime with an automatic 5-year sentence. Bangers do not fear local authority, but they do fear the feds."

Why is it that gun nuts come up with airhead solutions to our gun control problems? Maybe it hasn't dawned on them that prisons are a huge drain on the taxpayers, and they yield little if any positive return, and that doesn't even address the costs to our court system to prosecute criminals. These days the costs to incarcerate criminals can exceed what we spend on public education. What's wrong with this picture? Guys like isobars don't have a clue. All they see is the need for more guns with no registration or licensing requirements that could be used to help control and monitor the growing problem.