myiW Current Conditions and Forecasts Community Forums Windsurfing Videos Buy and Sell Services
 
Hi guest · myAccount · Log in
 SearchSearch   ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   RegisterRegister 
Keystone pipe dream, or pipeline?
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    iWindsurf Community Forum Index -> Politics, Off-Topic, Opinions
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
techno900



Joined: 28 Mar 2001
Posts: 1442

PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course you must understand that the electric car study only went as far as 8 years and 40K miles. Probably just before the batteries needed to be replaced at ????$

What about depreciation or resale value? Anyone want to buy an 8 year old electric car that will need new batteries?

How about the WHOLE story before we assume that electric cars are a good deal?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
swchandler



Joined: 08 Nov 1993
Posts: 5697

PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"How about the WHOLE story before we assume that electric cars are a good deal?"


If we can depend on capitalism and the pressures of supply and demand, I would say that as more folks invest in vehicles the employ batteries, the price for batteries and the cost to replace them will come down over time. In fact, they already have to some degree. Indeed, we do need to consider the whole story. As time marches on, so does the force of change.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
slinky



Joined: 24 Aug 2007
Posts: 399
Location: Old Saybrook Ct.

PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

" As time marches on, so does the force of change."

And change is inevitable. and change we will. Carbon fuels will not last forever. We're still living in the stone age, relying on fire.

We need to conserve, and start now preparing for the future.

We cannot afford to sit back and keep doing what we have been doing as if nothing will ever change.

swchandler, you are absolutely correct about the cost in my oppinion.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
isobars



Joined: 12 Dec 1999
Posts: 13844

PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

slinky wrote:
Carbon fuels will not last forever.

One of Russia's top petroleum scientists says they will, that they come from an ongoing abiotic process unrelated to the decay of organic matter. I've asked the self-proclaimed oil experts here for their assessment of the abiotic origin of oil, to the sound of crickets. Google it if interested; it's a fascinating alternative to the dead dinosaur theory. Is it like AGW in that both sides have credible arguments, or it is more like, say, some of the asinine explanations of the 9/11 attacks?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
mac



Joined: 07 Mar 1999
Posts: 4993

PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fascinating article by Ryan Lizza on the Keystone pipeline in the September 16 New Yorker, http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2013/09/16/130916fa_fact_lizza

One of Lizza's conclusions is that Obama understands that many of the enviros claims about the impacts of Tar Sands are exaggerated. He would rather put approval of the project in a context of sensible measures to deal with climate change, and the higher carbon signature of the fuel source. So from the administration's perspective, a series of rather modest mitigations would pave the way for approval of the pipeline, with an overall conclusion that emissions would go down despite the nature of the source. The Republicans, and in particular the Teas, are in the way. When you put people in government who don't understand government, and have no interest in, or ability, to create a compromise, you get stalemate.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
nw30



Joined: 21 Dec 2008
Posts: 1559
Location: The eye of the universe, Cen. Cal. coast

PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Come on BHO, what are you afraid of?
Just say it already, "There will be no Keystone pipeline while I'm president!"
Just do it! But he can't, he postpones the decision again until after the election.
And in the meantime the oil comes thru anyway, by truck and rail, that method has increased about 100% in the last 3 years.
Is that safer on the environment in terms of risk?

Senseless, and wuus-like.

_________________
I don't drink the 'cool' aid, I drink tequila, it's more honest.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
swchandler



Joined: 08 Nov 1993
Posts: 5697

PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Approving the Keystone XL pipeline doesn't mean that gasoline will be more available or any cheaper in price. What's the rush? Seems to me that the oil industry already has enough oil to process. I mean, why are gas prices on the increase right now? They can't seem to keep the price reasonably stable and fulfill the current demand.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
keycocker



Joined: 10 Jul 2005
Posts: 3231

PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no keystone pipeline oil coming through in trucks or any other way to Louisiana.
The oil for this pipeline will come from tar sand fields not yet developed in Canada. They are not profitable at current prices and tech.
The Canadians know that building a pipe across the US to ship oil overseas will be hard to get approval. The US will see little benefit.
They chose using lobbyists to buy the fake press, and start the process long before the oil is available.
They are still continuing to take oil across the border to refineries in the north for the US market.

Conservatives are drinking this nasty black koolaid paid for by foreigners because it is part of the hate all things Obama meme.
They may be supporting the interests of those foreigners against the best interests of the US.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
nw30



Joined: 21 Dec 2008
Posts: 1559
Location: The eye of the universe, Cen. Cal. coast

PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KC: "There is no keystone pipeline oil coming through in trucks or any other way to Louisiana."

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101153096

http://business.financialpost.com/2013/02/22/demand-for-tank-cars-to-ship-crude-oil-by-rail-rises-at-breakneck-speed/?__lsa=8f8d-3c33

http://www.albertaoilmagazine.com/2013/02/railcars-trucks-make-oil-comeback/

I'd consider buying stock in trucking and rail companies that do business in this area.

_________________
I don't drink the 'cool' aid, I drink tequila, it's more honest.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
bajaDean



Joined: 02 Jul 2011
Posts: 785
Location: on earth

PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

just let the canadians put the pipeline to Vancouver a much shorter distance.
_________________
when good people stay silent the right wing are the only ones heard.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    iWindsurf Community Forum Index -> Politics, Off-Topic, Opinions All times are GMT - 5 Hours
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
Page 6 of 6

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum

myiW | Weather | Community | Membership | Support | Log in
like us on facebook
© Copyright 1999-2007 WeatherFlow, Inc Contact Us Ad Marketplace

Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group