myiW Current Conditions and Forecasts Community Forums Windsurfing Videos Buy and Sell Services
 
Hi guest · myAccount · Log in
 SearchSearch   ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   RegisterRegister 
Sleep well, Bush and Cheney
Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    iWindsurf Community Forum Index -> Politics, Off-Topic, Opinions
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
windoggie



Joined: 22 Feb 2002
Posts: 2360

PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 4:56 pm    Post subject: Sleep well, Bush and Cheney Reply with quote

Happy anniversary Chicken Hawks
http://dangerousminds.net/comments/dying_vets_fuck_you_letter_to_george_bush_dick_cheney_needs_to_be_read

_________________
/w\
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
stevenbard



Joined: 11 Nov 1993
Posts: 3954

PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No question Windoggie that most of the wars we've fought since WW2 have been foolish and arrogant. We shouldn't forget that Obama could have wound this down 4 years ago, and that more men have died under him in 4 years than Bush in 8.

Secondly, the destruction of America's treasure in both human tragedy and gold is monumental. I like being the badass with a big stick, however, I don't like sending other peoples children into madness. Here we go again with Iran, N Korea, or some other tinpot dictatorship. Someday, we will have cried wolf one too many times. It actually might be important some day.

My philosophy is, if we can't win a war in less than a year, with a full surrender of everyone on the opposing side, we should never fight again.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
coboardhead



Joined: 26 Oct 2009
Posts: 1922

PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevenbard wrote:


Secondly, the destruction of America's treasure in both human tragedy and gold is monumental. I like being the badass with a big stick, however, I don't like sending other peoples children into madness. Here we go again with Iran, N Korea, or some other tinpot dictatorship. Someday, we will have cried wolf one too many times. It actually might be important some day.


Spot on! I do not have children. But, I do have a sister in the military. I have thought, long and hard, about the value of these wars vs the life of my sister. The math just does not add up! Fortunately, I have not had to pay this price, as so many families have.

Whether we agree, or not, with these wars, we owe a serious debt to these folks.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
stevenbard



Joined: 11 Nov 1993
Posts: 3954

PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I knew when I was 16 that if I were drafted, there was no way I was going to Vietnam. Fortunately it ended soon thereafter. Now my son is 16 and says he'd like to join the military. How in the world can I express my decades of mistrust for authority to such a young stud? Very carefully, lest he gets his back up in a tizzy.

I'm trying to get him to watch The Civil War by Ken Burns.....
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
coboardhead



Joined: 26 Oct 2009
Posts: 1922

PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Dad had five sons with Vietnam close on the horizon. He served in the Korean War. I don't think he slept for five years!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
isobars



Joined: 12 Dec 1999
Posts: 13829

PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How do you guys plan to stop madmen with WMD who want to kill us all?

And, Steve, the finest and most dedicated group of people I've ever known have been my military peers. Sure, there are some jerks there, but that's life. I went in because of the draft, planning on staying in the required 4 years and bailing. I stayed largely because of what those factors and serving the country began to mean to me. Seeing dedicated family men not just volunteer, but demand, to change their jobs from cushy stateside R&D to dangerous hot or cold war overseas assignments makes civilian careers seem like boring, meaningless, mindless, drudgery by comparison. It's much like the police's "Protect and Serve" mantra on steroids.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
swchandler



Joined: 08 Nov 1993
Posts: 5694

PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was watching the PBS News Hour this evening, and as they do on occasion, in silence they identified and pictured 12 more US Soldiers that have recently died in our wars in the Middle East. A sobering moment to think about those soldiers that have died in war abroad. Speaking for myself, I'll be a lot happier when the war in Afghanistan is behind us. And, needless to say, I hope to hell that those that cavalierly promote American Exceptionalism around the world are kept at bay and muzzled.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
windoggie



Joined: 22 Feb 2002
Posts: 2360

PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey iso, I started this thread,I'm plonked, you can't see my posts. Bug out kook.
_________________
/w\
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
stevenbard



Joined: 11 Nov 1993
Posts: 3954

PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iso, the people who fight for our country are the finest. It's the schmucks who think someone else's child is worthy of dying for their ideology or greed. When 911 happened, I thought Bush would use that as an excuse to tighten our borders and get a handle on who was here. Oh no, the schmuck listened to Cheyney and the goon squad who were jumping up and down for war.

Still shocked at how stupid they were....and how brave and starry eyed those young dead were. They cared about us, and didn't think they could be betrayed.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
isobars



Joined: 12 Dec 1999
Posts: 13829

PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You apparently think yours is the only valid assessment of and solution to the terrorist threat. Millions of people, including thousands of very bright professionals and statesmen on the international scene, do not agree. I sure don't hear much of the media criticizing Obama's basic approach, which is derived straight from Rumsfeld's principles of smaller, more elite, more direct, more focused, strikes taking advantage of technology more than brute force. That "shock and awe" talk was a red herring, but our drone and cyberwarfare weaponry were still behind the power curve.

What Bush DID have ... an active, effective, worldwide ELINT surveillance program ... was leaked and nullified by the GDNYT, which IMO should have been silenced "by whatever means were necessary", as a four-star general said to "Frontline" about embedded reporters broadcasting battle plans. I'd bet the the GDNYT and the anti-eavesdropping crybabies set the war on terrorists, especially bin Laden, back by years. And, of course, Bush's attempts to "get a handle on who's here" by eavesdropping on terrorists within our borders was largely and loudly squelched by the Left, who apparently considers my right to yell FIRE! more important than national security. Do you think Bush's electronic eavesdropping systems gave a rat's ass about your phone calls or mine?

This PRetend Commander in Chief (aka PRIC) we have now doesn't need the GDNYT to be a traitor to his charges; his open and eager re-election-driven boasting about the doctor and the SEALS who killed bin Laden got them captured and killed, respectively. I can't wipe the taste of that man out of my mind or mouth often enough.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    iWindsurf Community Forum Index -> Politics, Off-Topic, Opinions All times are GMT - 5 Hours
Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next
Page 1 of 5

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum

myiW | Weather | Community | Membership | Support | Log in
like us on facebook
© Copyright 1999-2007 WeatherFlow, Inc Contact Us Ad Marketplace

Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group