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MalibuGuru
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Joined: 11 Nov 1993 Posts: 9300
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Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 12:56 am Post subject: 1st and 2nd Amendments under attack |
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Today, the State Department forced Cody Wilson (Plastic gun designer) to remove INSTRUCTIONS FOR 3-D PRINTED GUNS to be removed from his internet web site. In fear of our government, he complied.
I visited his website yesterday, and almost downloaded the instructions for fun. I wish I had downloaded them..... http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/09/politics/3-d-guns/
He is licensed by the Federal govt to produce the guns, however they are forcing him to remove the DESIGN ARTICLE. Amazing
What other Amendments to our Constitution are no longer needed? |
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keycocker
Joined: 10 Jul 2005 Posts: 3598
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Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 2:27 am Post subject: |
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When I was a teenager in the sixties, I was writing a paper on explosives. I went to the Public Library to check out books on how to make explosives at home. They would not let a loud month immature kid check them out.
What is wrong with these people?
I could have done a lot of damage with that info, if I had lived long enough to use it. |
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rigitrite
Joined: 19 Sep 2007 Posts: 520 Location: Kansas City
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Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 8:22 am Post subject: |
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So, let's take this argument to its logical conclusion. I have plans to create a thermo-nuclear weapon from a 3-d printer. You can make the centrifuge for enriching uranium, how to use uranium mining tallings for fissionable material, how to create the detonator assembly, everything.....not cheap, but anyone can do it. 1st amendment gives me the right to freely distribute information right? 2nd amendment gives anyone the right to bear arms....nuclear weapons are arms, right? Where's the problem?
The public good, that's where. _________________ Kansas City |
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techno900
Joined: 28 Mar 2001 Posts: 4161
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Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 9:19 am Post subject: |
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rigright said: Quote: | The public good, that's where |
Exactly, but where do you draw the line? Bombs or slingshots? Somewhere in between is a reasonable and prudent point, but conservatives and liberals will not likely agree on where it should be, so the debate will be never ending. |
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DanWeiss
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Posts: 2296 Location: Connecticut, USA
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Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 9:38 am Post subject: |
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The guy advocates the downfall of government, including his own. He is an unabashed and admitted anarchist yet, despite that, the US government respected his right to manufacture his own guns and his right to sell them domestically.
What he did, however, is go beyond that. He published the gun design specs and methods with great specificity in a way that he knew, and everyone else knows, was intended (defined as "should know, did know and/or could reasonably anticipate") for oversees distribution. That very likely violates arms export control laws, the very existence of which is unrelated to either the first or second amendments.
Neither the first or second amendments are absolute. Tossing something into the air no more makes it a plane than publishing weapon design and construction techniques overseas makes it protected speech. _________________ Support Your Sport. Join US Windsurfing!
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DanWeiss
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Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 9:38 am Post subject: |
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MalibuGuru
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Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 10:32 am Post subject: |
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So it is ok to trash the 1st amendment. Now I see how it is possible for the govt to tamp down freedom of speech. I never thought the population would be that stupid.
BTW, there are thousand of "how to kill" books published by the left. As a matter of fact, some of the most notorious left wing terrorists are college professors today.
ps, I do understand the implications of Anarchism. However, what he's doing may be for the good. For instance, it may render airport security checks useless. We may then be able to focus efforts on obvious targets rather than grand mothers. |
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DanWeiss
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Posts: 2296 Location: Connecticut, USA
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Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 11:12 am Post subject: |
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Steve, I replied thoughtfully to your post with a basic statement that First Amendment rights are not absolute. You then replied as if I said nothing at all by writing, "So it is ok to trash the 1st Amendment." That's about as far from what I said as possible.
Take a read of the actual text. The very thing that creates those protections also limits them.
As well, limiting and expanding interpretations of the Constitution are a very part of it. Don't like that last point? I suggest you would've wanted to take it up with Chief Justice Marshall. He penned exactly that in Marbury vs. Madison about 2 centuries ago. _________________ Support Your Sport. Join US Windsurfing!
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mac
Joined: 07 Mar 1999 Posts: 17748 Location: Berkeley, California
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Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 11:30 am Post subject: |
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Steve--you might also look at some of the contemporary arguments when the Bill of Rights was adopted--eg. .http://www.ushistory.org/paine/commonsense/ and the Federalist Papers. They laid out the difference between liberty and license very clearly. The founding fathers were very smart--and they would be appalled by current politics and talking points. |
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keycocker
Joined: 10 Jul 2005 Posts: 3598
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Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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techno,
I think there widespread agreement between the left and the right on gun rights.
nearly all of us ,around 80%,agree that background checks are an acceptable hassle to reduce the criminals and kooks purchase of guns. That includes most NRA members and GOP voters.
The NRA and Congress obey other masters.
Almost all NRA members say that we should enforce the laws on the books rather than write new ones.
The NRA focuses most of its funding on lobbying to strike down gun laws , not to enforce them.
I find many libs and dems own rifles.
The problem is the very poor, bought off leadership in conservative organizations.
they misrepresent the facts and drive Americans apart.
Divide and Conquered. |
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