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swchandler
Joined: 08 Nov 1993 Posts: 10588
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Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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"Middle class jobs and wages are a big problem. If Obama had gotten us out of Iraq in the 1st year, focused on small and medium size companies, embraced racial harmony, and been a little more centrist, he'd have been the most admired president in history. His divisive war, racial demagoguery, tax and regulate messages have driven the moderates away."
If President Obama was so terrible, why was he handily re-elected in 2012? Did Obama win because the Republicans were offering such a stellar array of talent and ideas?
You know, your idea of reality is a reflection of where you get your news and information. You watch and listen to a bunch of haters much of the time, sooner or later you become one. Reminds me of the thought that "you are what you eat". |
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boggsman1
Joined: 24 Jun 2002 Posts: 9120 Location: at a computer
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Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with most, Steve...although , we are in no position to smack Russia. Stat: 2012 saw the 1% own the largest percentage of the country's wealth since.....gulp....1928. |
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KGB-NP
Joined: 25 Jul 2001 Posts: 2856
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Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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I hate to say this but that game plan for funding the ACA is horrible!
Why reinvent the wheel when there is a working example here?
I've alway thought that the two most destructive forces against business are government and unions. This is just another perfect example. |
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coboardhead
Joined: 26 Oct 2009 Posts: 4303
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Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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Rein
The government pays for almost 50 percent of the health care in the US. In fact, the various government's (federal,state and local) portion of total healthcare is about 7 % of GDP...same as the Canadian government's portion of your GDP. It just pays for a larger portion of your healthcare costs.
Fact is, healthcare is too expensive in this country. Lots of reasons for this...we utilize more healthcare, we are not as healthy, we compensate providers at a higher level, our insurance companies generate a profit, and we have more medical lawsuits.
The various players in healthcare have significant political power. The fact that the ACA was passed, even in its conservative form, is amazing. |
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KGB-NP
Joined: 25 Jul 2001 Posts: 2856
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Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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coboardhead wrote: | The government pays for almost 50 percent of the health care in the US. |
Let me make one thing perfectly clear. The government doesn't pay for sh!t! They take my money, your money, our money and dispurse it on our behalf.
coboardhead wrote: | The various players in healthcare have significant political power. . | This is the biggest problem in "affordable" health care.
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pointster
Joined: 22 Jul 2010 Posts: 376
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Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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boggsman1 wrote: | I agree with most, Steve...although , we are in no position to smack Russia. Stat: 2012 saw the 1% own the largest percentage of the country's wealth since.....gulp....1928. |
It seems to me that if we want a more reasonable distribution of income in this country, there are two basic approaches:
1. The tax and regulate approach. So, tax high income people and redistribute the money to those with lower incomes. Also enforce mandates on employers to provide higher minimum wages, benefit packages, etc.
2. Promote unionization of the workforce. The increased bargaining power of unions will increase wages and improve working conditions, and reduce dependency on government transfer payments.
While I think it is necessary to both approaches, I believe unionization will both increase the rewards for work and reduce reliance on the government programs.
Henry Blodget at Business Insider had an interesting post on the subject, entitled "I've Always Hated The Idea Of Labor Unions, But It May Be Time To Reconsider".
Here's the link: http://www.businessinsider.com/we-may-need-labor-unions-after-all-2012-12 |
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isobars
Joined: 12 Dec 1999 Posts: 20935
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Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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coboardhead wrote: | The fact that the ACA was passed, even in its conservative form, is amazing. |
Not when you consider the subterfuge that got it passed. Lying to THE swing vote Congressman to get his vote, rushing it through without allowing congressmen time to read it, endless lying about its costs and features ... all indisputably "caught on tape". |
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isobars
Joined: 12 Dec 1999 Posts: 20935
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Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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pointster wrote: | if we want a more reasonable distribution of income in this country ... |
Only socialists, poor people with no ambition to succeed, and some poor people mentally or physically UNABLE to succeed want that. The first two deserve its long term results. |
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KGB-NP
Joined: 25 Jul 2001 Posts: 2856
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Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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pointster wrote: | 1. The tax and regulate approach. So, tax high income people and redistribute the money to those with lower incomes. Also enforce mandates on employers to provide higher minimum wages, benefit packages, etc. |
I thought this was the purpose fo the graduated tax plan. Earn more equals pay more. Are you suggesting that those that earn more should pay even more then? Entitlement! If you are talking about closing the loop holes that the wealthy use to not pay their fair share, then yes good, even the playing feild. But the first plans sucks the incentive out of people and is evil in nature.
pointster wrote: | 2. Promote unionization of the workforce. The increased bargaining power of unions will increase wages and improve working conditions, and reduce dependency on government transfer payments. | Unions already have increase wages and improved working conditions. Their job is done as far as I'm concerned. They have now become the new greedy power hungry monsters that they were supposed to protect us all from. Unions have created a new unnatural form of social inequality. Could you imagine a creative directors union, salesperson union,...etc union? Imagine when the creative director is not creative and salesperson is no longer selling and you CAN'T fire them because they belong to a union? Sounds insane, huh? That's because it is, yet that is how unions operate. Unions are so out of control in their mobbish thug-like tactics that I truely fear what they are capable of.
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joew
Joined: 18 Jul 1999 Posts: 156
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Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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NW 30, "BHO will basically have handed the key to Putin to be superpower of the world" WHAT combination of drugs and alcohol were you imbibing to come up with this pearl of wisdom??? As has been said,"you can have your own opinion but not your own facts" The Russians ( not the Soviets by the way) Preside over a derelict shadow of their former military power. Ever seen those shots of abandoned, rusting missile subs tied up listing in port?? Every time they try to flex their muscles and field a naval taskforce in some sputtering exercise, they manage to showcase their poor level of maintenance and readiness, If only a shirtless Putin could hurl missiles into orbit with his bulging arms, NW 30, do a little homework before you get up in front of the class! Russian superpower, my ass!! |
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