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isobars
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| techno900 wrote: | | And this is different than the 100's of bills passed by the House that Reid refused to bring to a vote? Neither side chooses to compromise, so there is gridlock. |
McConnell has turned that around by getting bipartisan support to pass MANY bills that Reid had stonewalled plus many new ones Reid would have stonewalled (McConnell passed more in 6 months than Reid did in 6 years, according to the WSJ). Reid measured his power by how many bills he could block, while McC measures his by how many he can negotiate passage of. Which approach makes for a more effective Congress?
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real-human
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| Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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| techno900 wrote: | mac said: | Quote: | | Obama proposed immigration reform, Congress (the Republicans) refused to bring it to a vote. |
And this is different than the 100's of bills passed by the House that Reid refused to bring to a vote? Neither side chooses to compromise, so there is gridlock. Just as much a left issue as a right issue. |
you do not really think before you puke out garbage do ya..., the dems could not even get judges approved or even high level government positions, a huge number of them.. do you remember the filibusters... ie a simple majority could not pass didly... They had to finally evoke the nuke option for judge appointments to get them appointed. They did not use this provision for other things like supreme court just for federal judges. With a 2-3 vote advantage in the senate and was it 2 being libertarians to be added you are not a controlling majority.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/14/us/politics/building-legacy-obama-reshapes-appellate-bench.html?_r=0
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MalibuGuru
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Back on topic. I am staying in the Vatican as we speak. This pope has continued to raise the price of admission. It is now 63 euros. Approximately $72 for entry. 42 years ago it was free. Hardly accessible to the mass faithful. It is all about the money.
This pope is scum, raised on Marxist ideology as a revolutionary. One has to wonder why the former (still living) pope left the Vatican by helicopter in the middle of the night and was never heard from again. Does this have to do with pedophilia or ideology?
If he's so concerned about the poor, why does he jet set with fellow Marxists? Why is he pushing socialism? Why does the church seem more interested in raising money than saving souls? |
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mrgybe
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| Entry to St. Peter's is free. Entry to the Vatican Museums, Sistine Chapel etc. is 15 Euro...........about one fifth the cost to enter Disneyland. Your tour guide is taking the rest. Do it on your own, as most do, if you object to the cost. Pope Benedict has been seen many times since stepping down. This Pope lives a much simpler life than most of his predecessors and certainly simpler than you. You are free to disagree with his positions on society, most of which have been misstated by others in an attempt to give credence to their personal agendas. However, calling him scum makes you no better than those other name-callers here who cannot accept a differing viewpoint. |
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techno900
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Baja said: | Quote: | you do not really think before you puke out garbage do ya..., the dems could not even get judges approved or even high level government positions, a huge number of them.. do you remember the filibusters... ie a simple majority could not pass didly... They had to finally evoke the nuke option for judge appointments to get them appointed. They did not use this provision for other things like supreme court just for federal judges. With a 2-3 vote advantage in the senate and was it 2 being libertarians to be added you are not a controlling majority.
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Shocking what the right will do in an effort to maintain (or regain) a conservative government. Midterm elections seem to suggest that the majority of the voters support the effort as well. |
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isobars
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| Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 11:56 am Post subject: |
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| mrgybe wrote: | | calling him scum makes you no better than those other name-callers here who cannot accept a differing viewpoint. |
BIIIG difference: those other name-callers do not command the behavior and strongly influence the voting decisions of > a billion followers. Neither the pope's charter nor his expertise include politics, economics, climatology, etc. The pope belongs on the church side of the church/state boundaries, by charter, by the U.S. Constitution, and by the IRS. At least the show business idiots are breaching none of those walls simply because they have no such boundaries. The real fault there lies in the star-struck fools who get their "information" from movie stars and rappers. |
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| techno900 wrote: | Baja said: | Quote: | you do not really think before you puke out garbage do ya..., the dems could not even get judges approved or even high level government positions, a huge number of them.. do you remember the filibusters... ie a simple majority could not pass didly... They had to finally evoke the nuke option for judge appointments to get them appointed. They did not use this provision for other things like supreme court just for federal judges. With a 2-3 vote advantage in the senate and was it 2 being libertarians to be added you are not a controlling majority.
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Shocking what the right will do in an effort to maintain (or regain) a conservative government. Midterm elections seem to suggest that the majority of the voters support the effort as well. |
Be very careful when you use the word "majority"..The reality is more people voted for Democrats in the Mid terms than Republicans. |
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techno900
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boggs said: | Quote: | | Be very careful when you use the word "majority"..The reality is more people voted for Democrats in the Mid terms than Republicans. |
Whatever replaces liberals with conservatives works for me. |
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real-human
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| techno900 wrote: | Baja said: | Quote: | you do not really think before you puke out garbage do ya..., the dems could not even get judges approved or even high level government positions, a huge number of them.. do you remember the filibusters... ie a simple majority could not pass didly... They had to finally evoke the nuke option for judge appointments to get them appointed. They did not use this provision for other things like supreme court just for federal judges. With a 2-3 vote advantage in the senate and was it 2 being libertarians to be added you are not a controlling majority.
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Shocking what the right will do in an effort to maintain (or regain) a conservative government. Midterm elections seem to suggest that the majority of the voters support the effort as well. |
The dems had more voters in the last election even with the pol taxes and the changes in needing a NRA card vs a real ID. their votes were not counted.. plus look at the last three elections more democrats voted in the last elections for dem senators, it is called gerrymandering and small state control gave the lead to right wing elected officials. all we ask is back up your facts... so we can challenge them..
But good thing this is an international site, the international community can see there are people who will put it in the right wing haters faces, vs let them present the big lie...... We can can see how right wingers practice that Nazi, Communist propaganda game the BIG LIE.
Also note this was a mid-term to when historically the opposing party gains with more votes. Is this may be the first mid-term where the opposing party did not have as many votes.
http://www.republicreport.org/2014/gerrymandering-rigged-the-2014-elections-for-republican-advantage/
| Quote: | | In 2012, the first congressional election after the last round of gerrymandering, Democratic House candidates won 50.59 percent of the vote — or 1.37 million more votes than Republican candidates — yet secured only 201 seats in Congress, compared to 234 seats for Republicans. The House of Representatives, the “people’s house,” no longer requires the most votes for power. |
- See more at: http://www.republicreport.org/2014/gerrymandering-rigged-the-2014-elections-for-republican-advantage/#sthash.XHluxJH4.dpuf
http://politicalwire.com/2015/01/03/democratic-senators-got-more-votes-than-republicans/
| Quote: | The new U.S. Senate sworn in next week will have 54 Republicans and 46 Democrats.
Vox: “But here’s a crazy fact: those 46 Democrats got more votes than the 54 Republicans across the 2010, 2012, and 2014 elections. According to Nathan Nicholson, a researcher at the voting reform advocacy group FairVote, ‘the 46 Democratic caucus members in the 114th Congress received a total of 67.8 million votes in winning their seats, while the 54 Republican caucus members received 47.1 million votes.'”
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/03/the-senates-46-democrats-_n_6410894.html
So can we say the will of the people is against the right winger agenda, not for it as you contended....
so as far as your logic that means you will really be in trouble in the next election unless you can stop legitimate americans from voting as you are trying.
also note when Bush won one of his elections he did not have the majority of americans voting for him.
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Mr Fictionary posted one of the more hysterically funny claims about Congressional productivity since the midterms. Not really. Here's a comment from the Pew Research Center:
| Quote: | BY DREW DESILVER
CongressProductivity_July2014Congress this week scrambled to finish several pieces of business, from increasing aid to Israel to addressing the child-migrant crisis and patching the Highway Trust Fund, before leaving Washington for its scheduled August recess. But being out of town may not noticeably affect Congress’ legislative productivity.
As of Wednesday the current Congress had enacted 142 laws, the fewest of any Congress in the past two decades over an equivalent timespan. And only 108 of those enactments were substantive pieces of legislation, under our deliberately broad criteria (no post-office renamings, anniversary commemorations or other purely ceremonial laws). That’s two fewer than the previous Congress — itself not generally considered a model of productivity — had managed by this point in 2012. (As The Washington Post recently pointed out, Congress has a long history of dithering and squabbling rather than legislating during the dog days of summer.)
Still, it’s not as though nothing has been accomplished. Besides the Harmful Algal Bloom and Hypoxia Research and Control Amendments Act, the Huna Tlingit Traditional Gull Egg Use Act and a measure “to specify the size of the precious-metal blanks that will be used in the production of the National Baseball Hall of Fame commemorative coins,” here are some of the more significant laws passed so far by the current Congress:
Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act — extending the law’s provisions to gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender individuals;
Workforce Innovation and Opportunity Act — consolidates and updates federal aid to state and local job-training and employment programs;
Agricultural Act — the latest rewrite of the nation’s farm-subsidy and nutrition-assistance programs;
Bipartisan Student Loan Certainty Act — ties interest rates on federal direct student loans to the 10-year Treasury yield;
Drug Quality and Security Act — gives the FDA greater authority to regulate compounding pharmacies, which make custom versions of drugs;
Digital Accountability and Transparency Act — makes data on federal spending more accessible.
What’s the reason for the low legislative activity? President Obama and the Democrats who control the Senate blame Republicans for wasting time on measures that have no chance of becoming law, while House Republicans accuse Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of deliberately sitting on House-passed bills for political gain.
Members of Congress tend to act like harried undergraduates, leaving their hardest assignments till the end of the term and then finishing with a blizzard of activity. Among the past seven Congresses, between 39% and 59% of all the substantive laws they passed came in the last five months of their respective two-year terms; the average was 49%. So politics aside, recent history suggests that there’s still time for major legislation to emerge from the 113th Congress. |
A few more in the lame duck session, but most significant issues were kicked down the road. See the conservative take here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/12/19/the-did-something-congress-a-flurry-of-bills-passed-in-the-final-days-here-are-the-highlights/ |
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