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mac



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BB outs himself. As essentially a John Bircher. His rant is taken nearly verbatim from http://www.theguardian.com/politics/series/the-backbencher, without, of course, attribution. Or changing enough details to make it difficult to find out where he found it. Back Bencher is one of the avatars of the Guardian. In other words, he is directly channeled into the new organization that thinks it is journalism to work as part of a party, and perfectly ok to tap the phones of the parents of a murder victim and bribe the police.

Integrity and credibility are over rated.

Windoggie--maybe your best post ever. I'm in awe.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pueno wrote:
beaglebuddy wrote:
Many innocent people, including women and children, were killed by Nelson Mandela’s MK terrorists.

How many innocent Iraqis, including women and children, were killed by Dick Cheney's terrorists?
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The difference is of course that Western nations go out of their way to avoid collateral damage to civilians to the point of causing casualties to our own troops while terrorists purposely target innocent civilians.
Terrorists know this and hide behind innocent civilians.
If we wanted to just kill innocent civilians it would be quite easy to just bomb their cities indiscriminately, a tactic I would endorse, if we are going to be incorrectly blamed for it might as well just do it, this is how we brought an end to WW2.
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beaglebuddy



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:
he is directly channeled into the new organization that thinks it is journalism to work as part of a party.


Can't let this one go, you are throwing me softballs.
And the work of every single television news outlet in this country save one is not doing the work of the DNC? Rolling Eyes
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pueno



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

beaglebuddy wrote:

The difference is of course that Western nations go out of their way to avoid collateral damage to civilians to the point of causing casualties to our own troops while terrorists purposely target innocent civilians.

Yes, BB [..sigh..], I guess you're right.

It's clearly shown HERE.
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windoggie



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="beaglebuddy"

The difference is of course that Western nations go out of their way to avoid collateral damage to civilians to the point of causing casualties to our own troops while terrorists purposely target innocent civilians.
Terrorists know this and hide behind innocent civilians.
If we wanted to just kill innocent civilians it would be quite easy to just bomb their cities indiscriminately, a tactic I would endorse, if we are going to be incorrectly blamed for it might as well just do it, this is how we brought an end to WW2.[/quote]

I remember my 5th grade view of history too!

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MalibuGuru



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

keycocker wrote:
Bard,
You still believe Wall Street is mostly liberal cronies of Obama?


Yeah, Besides the largest corporation in the world, Apple, here are some names.

Business people[edit]

Marc Benioff, Chairman and CEO of salesforce.com[20]
Jeffrey Brotman, Founder of Costco[133]
Warren Buffett, CEO of Berkshire Hathaway[134]
Jon Corzine, Former CEO of Goldman Sachs, CEO and Chairman of MF Global, Former Governor of New Jersey and US Senator[20]
Ari Emanuel, CEO of William Morris Endeavor Entertainment[20]
Nathaniel Fick, CEO of the Center for a New American Security, author of One Bullet Away, a New York Times best seller[97]
Bill Gates, Microsoft founder and CEO[135]
David Geffen, Founder of Asylum Records, Geffen Records, and DGC Records; cofounder of DreamWorks SKG[20]
Berry Gordy, Founder of the Motown record label[136]
Steven J. Green, former CEO and Chairman of Samsonite Corporation and United States Ambassador to Singapore[90]
Gary Hirshberg, Chairman, President, and CEO of Stonyfield Farm[137]
Chris Hughes, co-founder of Facebook[138]
James Lassiter[21]
Kevin Liles, Former executive Vice President of Warner Music Group[139]
Michael Lynton, Chairman and CEO of Sony Pictures Entertainment[136]
Jeffrey Katzenberg, CEO of DreamWorks Animation[140]
Marissa Mayer, CEO of Yahoo![141]
Mike Medavoy, Chairman and CEO of Phoenix Pictures[136]
Tom Rothman, Chairman and CEO of Fox Filmed Entertainment[21]
Sheryl Sandberg, COO of Facebook[142]
Eric Schmidt, former CEO of Google[143]
Russell Simmons, Cofounder of Def Jam[139]
James Sinegal, Founder and former CEO of Costco[144]
George Soros, founder of Soros Fund Management[145]

Besides the Democrats being far wealthier in Congress, and just about every Hollywood actor, he is in the pocket of most of the top 10 net worth people and companies in the US.
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nw30



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heh, and that's just the tip of the iceberg. There's lots more media types and international (even oil) types not even listed there.
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swchandler



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bard, why not list wealthy Republican business folks too? We all know that they're out there actively fighting for conservative causes and funding Republican candidates. I'm willing to bet there are more Republicans than Democrats. Also, it would be interesting to see the broad array of businesses they run and represent. I'm sure that the contrast would shed some light on where their interests lie.
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keycocker



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bard that is hilarious
It is mostly a list of present and former entertainment execs.
Each company has hundreds of execs and some of them surely must be Dems, though not always Dems who support Obama.

Do they really control Wall Street?

Did you remember to list all the hedge guys? There are thousands of them alone. How about ins. And banks?

Among the stuff I hear from Talk, the idea that Wall Street is mostly hard left Obama supporters is really uh ......surprising.

Did Bama bail out the movie business?and Def Jam What the hell is that?
Part of Bank of America?
Did he bail out Costco?
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MalibuGuru



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who were the thousands of guys who paid $35,000 a plate at hundreds of fundraisers to elect Obama? School teachers?

Some of the things Obama has done

1) Carried out military interventionism in Libya without Congressional approval

In June 2011, U.S. Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) said that Obama had violated the Constitution when he launched military operations in Libya without Congressional approval.

2) Gave a no-bid contract to Halliburton – just like Bush did

In May 2010, it was reported that the Obama administration had selected KBR, a former subsidiary of Halliburton, for a no-bid contract worth as much as $568 million through 2011, just hours after the Justice Department had said it would pursue a lawsuit accusing the Houston-based company of using kickbacks to get foreign contracts.

3) Has an administration full of lobbyists, after promising he wouldn’t have any

While running for President, Obama had promised that, unlike Bush, he would not have any lobbyists working in his administration. However, by February 2010, he had more than 40 lobbyists working in his administration.

4) Has close ties to Wall St., but pretends to support Occupy Wall St.

Although Obama claims to support the Occupy Wall St. movement, the truth is that he has raised more money from Wall St. than any other candidate during the last 20 years. In early 2012, Obama held a fundraiser where Wall St. investment bankers and hedge fund managers each paid $35,800 to attend. In October 2011, Obama hired Broderick Johnson, a longtime Wall Street lobbyist, to be his new senior campaign adviser. Johnson had worked as a lobbyist for JP Morgan Chase, Bank of America, Fannie Mae, Comcast, Microsoft, and the oil industry.


5) Broke his promise to close Guantanamo Bay
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