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wynsurfer
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| Looks that way to most rational people. |
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mac
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Fact # 3. Anyone that thinks that Netanyahu tells the truth is just not paying attention. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/23/leaked-spy-cables-netanyahu-iran-bomb-mossad
| Quote: | Binyamin Netanyahu’s dramatic declaration to world leaders in 2012 that Iran was about a year away from making a nuclear bomb was contradicted by his own secret service, according to a top-secret Mossad document.
It is part of a cache of hundreds of dossiers, files and cables from the world’s major intelligence services – one of the biggest spy leaks in recent times.
Brandishing a cartoon of a bomb with a red line to illustrate his point, the Israeli prime minister warned the UN in New York that Iran would be able to build nuclear weapons the following year and called for action to halt the process.
But in a secret report shared with South Africa a few weeks later, Israel’s intelligence agency concluded that Iran was “not performing the activity necessary to produce weapons”. The report highlights the gulf between the public claims and rhetoric of top Israeli politicians and the assessments of Israel’s military and intelligence establishment. |
First speak no evil of a fellow conservative, no matter how you have to twist and turn. |
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nw30
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techno900
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techno900
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| Quote: | | Those leaked Mossad cables don't actually contradict Netanyahu on Iran's nuclear program |
Read more: http://www.timesofisrael.com/mossad-cables-prove-hardly-contradictory/#ixzz3TA5mDyzI
If you were Netanyahu, would you take ANY chances? I would guess that at some point, either the US or Israel, or both will be bombing Iran, regardless of any Obama deal. 5 years, 10 years, who knows? |
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mac
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First, speak no evil of a fellow conservative--no matter how slimy. Second, let Israel define not merely Israel's foreign policy, but that of Europe and the United States as well. Third, enlist the conservative head of Israel as part of partisan politics in the United States, helping his effort for re-election. Yup, all boxes checked.
Our military adventures of the past 50 years have weakened this country economically and diplomatically. They have, however, enriched many people--a disproportionate number of them in Virginia.
For those of you who claim to be strict construction conservatives, Boehner is not one of you. From the Council on Foreign Relations:
| Quote: | The U.S. Constitution gives Congress extensive powers to shape foreign policy though congressional activism and influence on foreign policy has varied over time. Lawmakers seldom interact directly with other nations on policy, but the laws that Congress passes, or treaties and nominations the Senate approves, can influence U.S. interactions with other countries. Foreign policy has been a source of tension through the years between Capitol Hill and the White House, especially over issues such as sanctions and foreign aid, trade, and human rights. The 113th Congress, which took office in January 2013, has already signaled a continuation of policy push and pull.
Congress Versus the President
The president, or executive branch, has the power to initiate as well as implement foreign policy through responses to foreign events, proposals for legislation, negotiation of international agreements, nomination of leading foreign policy officials, and statements of policy. Congressional approval is needed for spending, and consent is required for finalizing of trade agreements. More ambiguous are war powers, which are spelled out more clearly for Congress but in practice are dominated by presidential action.
"Generally speaking, Congress does not try to upstage the president on major international issues but likes to keep an oar in the water," says Donald R. Wolfensberger, director of the Congress Project at the Woodrow Wilson International Center. But other experts point to a number of examples in which Congress has openly defied presidents, such as refusing to approve the Treaty of Versailles in 1919 and 1920, the overwhelming defeat of the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty in 1999, and the ongoing opposition to approving the Convention on the Law of the Sea despite support by successive U.S. presidents.
Congress has historically used its oversight role, issuing subpoenas in event of investigations, to show its disapproval of executive actions or change policy. High-profile investigations in the last half-century include probes into the Iran-Contra Affair and the intelligence problems leading up to the September 11, 2001 attacks. More recent investigations include the Justice Department's conduct in a cross-border gun sting known as the "Fast and the Furious" operation and the scrutiny into circumstances surrounding the September 2011 attacks on a U.S. consulate in Libya. |
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mrgybe
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| To be fair, at least liberals are even handed when discussing our closest ally in the Middle East, the United States, and the murdering savages who want to kill us all. They allocate as much time condemning Israel and the US as they do making excuses for the terrorists. |
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mac
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The cheapest debate trick, and one devoid of any integrity, is to equate concerns over a strictly military strategy to support for terrorists. It is a tissue of cheap lies.
We can paraphrase Einstein here--insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. |
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nw30
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| mac wrote: | | First, speak no evil of a fellow conservative--no matter how slimy. Second, let Israel define not merely Israel's foreign policy, but that of Europe and the United States as well. Third, enlist the conservative head of Israel as part of partisan politics in the United States, helping his effort for re-election. Yup, all boxes checked. |
Spewing the liberal talking points on this matter, all boxes checked.
It's beyond me this anti-Semite attitude that is all of a sudden sweeping across Europe, as well as this country, but to a lesser extent, I'd love to believe. I just don't get it, I know Rev. Wright and Calypso Louie hate Jews (another thing I'll never understand), but why does it spread beyond those two wack jobs?
I know mac that you love to play the race card towards anyone you think hates Obama, but I could just as easily play the bigot card at you over this, but at this point, I will give you the benefit of the doubt. |
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mac
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NW--Netanyahu has worsened the problems throughout the Middle East by continuing to encourage settlements in land that the Palistineans consider theirs, and that Israel once agreed with. The fact that Hamas is worse doesn't make Netanyahu right--many have said that Netanyahu's bellicosity actually strengthens the hand of the radicals in the West Bank. Opposition to such policies is not anti-semitism. I too find the rise of anti-semitism in Europe appalling. It is exactly as wrong to blame Netanyahu's bad policies and bellicosity on his Jewish heritage as it is to blame terrorism on the Muslim religion. It is exactly the same thing--something lost on the American right.
The problem that I identified is not Netanyahu's conservatism per se--he is the legitimate leader of Israel, whether I agree with him or not. It is up to the Israeli's to throw him out if they don't agree with him. The problem is using cooperative conservatives from the lunatic fringe to try to let Netanyahu establish American, not Israeli foreign policy.
I guess that went over your head. |
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