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mac



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Billie Holiday said it best. Crust of bread and such:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_1LfT1MvzI
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

isobars wrote:
reinerehlers wrote:
It would be interesting to see who actually gave more....conservatives or liberals?

The official numbers have been consistent for many years and posted here before. Conservatives earn 6% less than liberals but give 43% more.

As for my own giving, to whom I give is my own business. But percentage-wise, I give FAR more than the Gores, Obamas, or Bidens did before their stinginess made the world news cycle.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Much is done through churches or by Christians in other ways.
When most Christians indentified themselves as Liberals, then libs gave more.
Now many call themselves Conservatives with no change in their politics,so consevatives average more.
Non religious conservatives give the least.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Turns out Isobars claim has been debunked:

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Who Really Gives? Partisanship and Charitable Giving in the United States
by ANDREW GELMAN on OCTOBER 18, 2012 · 28 COMMENTS
in POLITICAL ECONOMY,POLITICAL PARTIES
Michele Margolis and Michael Sances write:

Conservatives and liberals are equally generous in their donation habits. This pattern holds at both the individual and state level, and contradicts the conventional wisdom that partisans differ in their generosity.
What about the claim by Arthur Brooks that conservatives give more? Margolis and Sances write:

We are not the first to ask whether partisanship affects giving. In 2006, Arthur Brooks made headlines with a provocative finding from his book Who Really Cares: despite stereotypes of liberals caring more about the poor, conservatives were purported to be more generous when it comes to giving to charities. These results stirred the political pot by taking “bleeding heart liberals” to task for their stinginess when it comes to their own money. . . . we demonstrate that these results are not robust, and appear to be driven by a non-traditional question wording for identifying liberals and conservatives. After correcting for this problem, there is no statistical difference between conservative and liberal giving, conditional on observable characteristics. Further, when we use partisanship rather than ideology to measure liberalism, there is no statistical difference in giving, regardless of whether we adjust for observable characteristics.
How did Brooks screw up?

One reason for this anomaly could be the unorthodox way in which the SCCBS [the 2000 Social Capital Benchmark Survey] asks about ideology, which differs from the standard phrasing used in the ANES and GSS. The ideology question wording in the 2000 SCCBS reads: “Thinking politically and socially, how would you describe your own general outlook–as being very conservative, moderately conservative, middle-of-the-road, moderately liberal or very liberal?” (emphasis added). It is likely that this wording compels many economic liberals to identify as social conservatives, and many economic conservatives to identify as social liberals; because social liberals tend to be wealthier, this would explain why liberals in the SCCBS are wealthier. Certainly the wording affects the distribution on the ideology question. Whereas 33 and 34% of respondents in the 2000 ANES and GSS respectively identified as conservatives, the percentage jumps to 43 in the SCCBS. For these reasons, it seems reasonable to ask whether these findings can be replicated using another dataset.

Where do liberals and conservatives give their money?Where do liberals and conservatives give their money?

While levels of giving are roughly equivalent, liberals are much more likely to do- nate to secular organizations, and conservatives are more likely to donate to religious causes, especially their own congregation.
And when do they give?

Charitable contributions fluctuate based on the political landscape: Democrats (Republicans) donate less money when a Republican (Democrat) occupies the White House. Conversely, having a co-partisan in the White House increases the average and total donations to nonprofits at the state level.
I’m impressed by this work, partly because a few years ago when I saw Brooks’s claim, I contacted him and asked for details on what he did, and then I threw the problem to some students to replicate it. They got tired and never did it.

P.S. Recently, Arthur Brooks has been having some trouble with the General Social Survey. Working with data can be difficult!
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From Mac:
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Turns out Isobars claim has been debunked:


A different perspective..........

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The nation's sharp political divide can provide a clue to fundraisers: The eight states whose residents gave the biggest share of discretionary income to charity voted for John McCain in the last presidential contest while the seven lowest-ranking states supported Barack Obama.


http://philanthropy.com/article/The-Politics-of-Giving/133609/
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isobars



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Claiming something has been debunked and proving it's been debunked are vastly different.
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mac



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Techno--look at the rest of the information. Take faith out of the picture and the story is reversed:

http://philanthropy.com/article/FaithGiving/133611/

Perhaps there is something more to this than red state blue state? Perhaps there is a dramatic difference in the sense of community between states populated with small towns where the church is the center of the community, and those with large cities where people are more alienated from each other? My question would be, how well does the pattern of giving correlate with those truly in need, and those of a different race or creed? Taking care of your own is much easier than taking care of the mentally ill.

But I always appreciate a factual post that forces thinking. Still waiting for one of those from some here. Exclamation
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure this is the right thread for this post, but its worth posting.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 27, 2013 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like it, the ruling class is a bunch of parasites sucking the life blood out of us tax payers.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 27, 2013 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mac,
Where do you think that money that is donated to churches goes?
A great deal of that money ends right back into the community, and any church that practices what it preaches doesn't discriminate where that money goes based on race or creed.
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