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iandmflahive
Joined: 28 Aug 2014 Posts: 1
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 4:16 pm Post subject: We need advice to buy a windsurfer for our situation. |
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My wife and I sailed boats in Boston, then moved to Western Massachusetts. In 1978, we bought a Windsurfer for local lakes, and occasional trips to the coast. Sailing on 100-500 acre lakes, mostly lined by trees and surrounded by hills, usually means light winds and frequent tacking,sometimes for multiple wind currents.
We're now in our mid-60s, and looking for a lighter hull with a daggerboard, to track upwind well. It must be large enough to float my 175 lbs. and the rig. We have a Bic Calypso rig, which we might replace with something easier to rig and/or lift from the water.
We have good skills for these places, but haven't sailed many windsurfers, and no modern ones. We would like to try out some used or new ones, before buying one. Please advise us.
Sincerely, Irene & Mark |
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dllee
Joined: 03 Jul 2009 Posts: 5329 Location: East Bay
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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Any 90+ cm wide, 200+ liter board would work, but most don't have centerboards, and those that do, use small centerboards. Good enough for the job at hand, if you are expert sailors who don't try to sail directly upwind. |
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joethewindsufa
Joined: 10 Oct 2010 Posts: 1190 Location: Montréal
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leosantanalg@gmail.com
Joined: 11 Aug 2011 Posts: 18
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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Bic Core 295OD its a great board!. I started in the same situation and learned with the bic board dagaboard down. you can have a lot of fun in a variety of conditions.!! satisfaction guaranteed |
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leosantanalg@gmail.com
Joined: 11 Aug 2011 Posts: 18
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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the board above is alright but very little room in the nose for a beginner!. when Jibes are not within capability, beginners must learn to tack and short nose makes it hard |
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boardsurfr
Joined: 23 Aug 2001 Posts: 1266
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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zirtaeb wrote: | Any 90+ cm wide, 200+ liter board would work, but most don't have centerboards, and those that do, use small centerboards. Good enough for the job at hand, if you are expert sailors who don't try to sail directly upwind. |
If Irene & Mark were complete beginners, that would be a good recommendations. But the original Windsurfer was 66 cm wide, and so were most other boards that area. Switching to a 90+ cm wide board would take away all the fun from light wind sailing. So would getting a board without a dagger board.
For light wind cruising, some of the old longboards from the 1990s are very hard to beat. The best ones, like the Fanatic Ultra Cat, are very hard to find, too. There are not too many new boards that can compare. The Kona One would be one option; sailable SUPs would be another one. Many sailable SUPs do not have a daggerboard, though. Some, like the Exocet WindSUP 11.8, do, but they tend to also be quite heavy (around 35 lb). Another option would be the BIC 11'6" Ace-Tec SUP Wind. The construction of the Bic is very sturdy, the weight similar to the Exocet, the price a lot lower. I own a smaller version (10'6") without a dagger board, and love it for light wind sailing. There are some lighter sailable SUPs out there, but with lighter weight comes more fragility. |
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DelCarpenter
Joined: 06 Nov 2008 Posts: 499 Location: Cedar Falls, IA
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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New boards lighter than a Windsurfer, for sailing small lakes: Kona One (350 cm long, 220 Lars) or RRD LongRider (340cm long, 180 Lars), both 70 cm wide & with retractable center boards. I think the Kona's extra length makes it the better choice. (I love racing in the Kona One Design class so I'm somewhat biased.)
Used, older boards for the same conditions: most boards are lighter than an original Windsurfer, good examples include Mistral One Design, or Equipe, F2 Lightning, Fanatic Megacat or UltraCat, Bic Bamba and others.
For the holey, up & down winds of the small lakes I sail on I prefer my longest boards up to about 15 mph then switch to my ancient, 325 cm F2 Comet which is very similar in shape to the much newer, 320 cm F2 Phoenix. |
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d0uglass
Joined: 28 May 2004 Posts: 1286 Location: Bonita Springs, Florida
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 7:25 am Post subject: |
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If you have some money to spend, the Starboard Phantom 320 seems like a winner for being light and compact (for a longboard) but still going upwind well.
I have the Exocet WindSUP 11'8" which is also great, but fairly heavy. Kona ONE is similar; great but not light. (Both boards are still lighter than the original Windsurfer, though.)
The advantage of the Kona, Exocet and Phantom, is that they can both glide well and plane well. Boards like the Bic 295 and other wide-bodied longboards will plane well but trade some glide for stablity.
If planing is not a goal for this phase in your windsurfing careers then there are a variety of other sailable SUPs that may work just as well, some of which may be lighter and/or cheaper than the Kona/Exocet. Bic 10'6?
The yellow Phoenix longboard in the craigslist ad could be good. It has similar dimensions to the Starboard Phantom 320. But I've ridden one a few times and for some reason it didn't quite "click" for me. Was neither particularly stable nor particularly good at gliding and going upwind.
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http://jimbodouglass.blogspot.com/2010/11/updated-windsurf-calculator-online.html |
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boardsurfr
Joined: 23 Aug 2001 Posts: 1266
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 7:50 am Post subject: |
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The Starboard Phantom 320 is a nice board, but it is also surprisingly heavy - about the same as a Kona One, and heavier than a Fanatic Ultra Cat. It's nice in high wind, since it planes like a shortboard. In light wind, the shorter length makes for a somewhat less fun ride, even though the huge daggerboard allows very good upwind angles. Anyway, Starboard stopped making it. The Phantom 377 is still available and appears to be a great board, but costs $3500. If I had the money, I'd get one. For someone who wants a new longboard for less money, there's also the Kona Step One - the same shape as the Kona One, but cheaper at $1400. |
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isobars
Joined: 12 Dec 1999 Posts: 20935
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 9:11 am Post subject: |
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Mistral Superlight comes to mind, and may be easier to find than an Ultra Cat.
BTW, my original Windsurfer barely floated my 180 pounds. Its deck was awash if I was barely moving.
Mike \m/ |
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