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swchandler



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Under Obama median income has fallen, and average household income fallen, mostly due to open borders, free trade, and poor economic policies. You can characterize the looney right as being at fault, but this next election should tell the whole story."


Bard, you're really tripping out. Hate is getting the better of you, and you're slipping into nonsense.

However, let's say the Republicans get lucky and win the majority in the Senate in November. What do you think will happen? If the Republicans should happen to get anything significant through the Senate, it will be readily vetoed by the president that they hate so much. The payback will be so sweet. Do you think that the Democrats will offer a helping hand? Dream on.
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MalibuGuru



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SWC, you deny median household income has fallen over the last 6 years under Obama? You better check your facts man. GDP may be up but per capita GDP has also fallen.

If he veto's any bills, he will then be the obstructionist. He will have denied the American people what they voted for....at his peril.
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swchandler



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Republicans have been denying the American people since President Obama was elected, and you could care less. What goes around comes around. Bad Republican karma will catch up with them.
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isobars



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevenbard wrote:
SWC, you deny median household income has fallen over the last 6 years under Obama?

Unbelievable! I wonder if he could pick Nancy Pelosi or Joe Biden out of a two-person lineup without a coin to toss, or if he has heard of ISIS.

Even the Huffington Post, his bible, admitted in 2013 that since "Bush's recession" ended, as of the 2012 full-year figures:
Unemployment was up from 5 to 7.9%.
Wages fell >8% to record low GDP percentage. (It has fallen for 5 consecutive years; http://www.census.gov/prod/2013pubs/p60-245.pdf ).
Food stamp dependence almost doubled (way to go, boss!).
The percentage of Americans uninsured increased. (It's still barely budged, despite having spent 13 figures trying to force it down.)
Student loan debt up (of course; they expect the Democrat party to cancel their debts.)
Children in poverty ... up.
Home ownership rate down.
Foreclosures up by almost a fifth (despite mortgage bailouts even for people with seven-figure savings).

http://tinyurl.com/ljk3x6l

http://tinyurl.com/k8ekec2

http://tinyurl.com/lez2dtf

Incomes Have Dropped Twice as Much During the Recovery as During the Recession The Weekly Standard at http://tinyurl.com/mmunmx3

Even liberal Fact Check: "America is still gaining jobs [largely low-paying, desperation, and temporary] under President Obama, but millions more live in poverty, typical household incomes have not kept pace with inflation, and the federal debt is up nearly 90 percent and on pace to double before he leaves office. Stockholders, meanwhile, are far wealthier than they were the day he was sworn in."

http://tinyurl.com/lkasv82

http://tinyurl.com/8v4aquc

Plus many hundreds of mentions of same on news programs on every network.
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swchandler



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Examples of how select facts and statistics can be manipulated to tell the story you want. The contrived telltales seems to point to President Obama being the fault for any and all negative trends, yet are the conclusions true? Not really, but I guess that if your prejudices want that outcome, that's what you walk away with.
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keycocker



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The recession will always provide examples of things getting worse at some point ever since Bushes last two years.
It also has provided many examples of things getting better as the recession is easing.
You just pick out the events you prefer and pretend they prove something whether you are a lib or GOP.
This is esp.true for things which require a compromise. In those cases you can find bad things to say even amid large successes.
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pueno



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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After Blocking Surgeon General Nominee, Republican Blames Obama For Surgeon General Vacancy

by Adam Peck

It has been nearly a year since Vivek Murthy was nominated by President Obama to serve as the next Surgeon General, but thanks in large part to the gun lobby and their Republican allies in the Senate, there has yet to be any movement on his confirmation.

That vacancy has become a central focus in the last week as government officials and medical professionals try to calm the public about the spread of Ebola.

On Sunday, Meet the Press host Chuck Todd asked Senator Roy Blunt (R-MO) about the NRA’s role in blocking Murthy’s confirmation, but the Republican senator dismissed the question outright.

Blunt blamed the vacancy on President Obama and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV), who has yet to put Murthy’s nomination to a full vote, and dismissed questions about the National Rifle Association’s efforts to block the nominee.

“The NRA said they were going to score the vote and suddenly everybody froze him,” said Chuck Todd. “That seems a little petty in hindsight, does it not?”

“Well, the president really ought to nominate people that can be confirmed to these jobs, and frankly then we should confirm them, there’s no question about that,” replied Blunt.

Earlier this year, the NRA launched a campaign to derail Murthy’s nomination because he voiced support for expanding background checks for gun purchases. His comments that gun violence was a public health concern raised the ire of the gun lobby and conservative lawmakers despite the fact that every major medical association — and several former Surgeons General under Republican presidents — shared the same view.

Todd questioned the wisdom of giving the NRA any kind of influence over the country’s top public health position, but Blunt rejected the notion that the NRA played any role in Murthy’s confirmation. “I’m not sure that’s why, you’d have to ask Senator Reid why he hasn’t move that to the top of his list to be confirmed.”

After the NRA began publicly opposing Murthy’s nomination, several of Blunt’s Republican colleagues including Rand Paul, John Cornyn and John Barrasso said they too would move to block Murthy’s nomination, and Paul placed a hold on the nomination.

Lawmakers and health experts have expressed concern over the lack of a Surgeon General to craft a unified response to the ebola diagnoses, leading to confusion that has helped fuel public fear of the virus, fear that is largely unfounded.

Blunt told Todd that he thinks we need a surgeon general. But asked if he would vote for Murthy’s confirmation, Blunt again refused to answer the question and blamed the administration.

“Until this came up, frankly I’ve heard very little discussion about the Surgeon General,” he said.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congress has lost interest in doing its job.
The Blame Obama Movement provides them with cover. We are going to reelect most of them shortly, including those who are preventing us from having a Surgeon General so they could Stop Obama!!!

Leaving our country without judges or infra to fight Ebola is OK if it keeps you from having your background checked for mental illness before you buy an Uzi.

Voters who think they are patriots are making this happen, putting party before country every time.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

swchandler wrote:
Examples of how select facts and statistics can be manipulated to tell the story you want. The contrived telltales seems to point to President Obama being the fault for any and all negative trends, yet are the conclusions true? Not really, but I guess that if your prejudices want that outcome, that's what you walk away with.

Well you're close, but sometimes the conclusions become a bit overbearing, yes, it's not BHO's fault directly, however he sets the agenda, so the fault needs to be spread around to all that follow in BHO's wake.
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Census Bureau: California still has highest U.S. poverty rate

By Dan Walters -
dwalters@sacbee.com

10/16/2014 11:25 AM
Updated: 10/17/2014 9:46 AM

California continues to have – by far – the nation’s highest level of poverty under an alternative method devised by the Census Bureau that takes into account both broader measures of income and the cost of living.

Nearly a quarter of the state’s 38 million residents (8.9 million) live in poverty, a new Census Bureau report says, a level virtually unchanged since the agency first began reporting on the method’s effects.

Under the traditional method of gauging poverty, adopted a half-century ago, California’s rate is 16 percent (6.1 million residents), somewhat above the national rate of 14.9 percent but by no means the highest. That dubious honor goes to New Mexico at 21.5 percent.

But under the alternative method, California rises to the top at 23.4 percent while New Mexico drops to 16 percent and other states decline to as low as 8.7 percent in Iowa.

The only other state to approach California in the alternate rankings is Nevada at 20 percent, although Washington, D.C., is close at 22.4 percent.

Ever since the Census Bureau first published its “supplemental poverty measure” rankings that placed California at the top a few years ago, poverty has evolved into a political issue.

It’s now routinely cited in official reports and legislative documents, and Neel Kashkari, the Republican candidate for governor, has tried to make it an issue in his uphill challenge to Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown, even spending several days in Fresno posing as a homeless person to dramatize it.

The Public Policy Institute of California used a similar methodology last year to gauge poverty in the state’s 58 counties, called a California Poverty Measure.

It pegged the statewide poverty rate at 22 percent and found some of the highest rates in the San Francisco Bay Area and coastal communities usually considered affluent due to their high costs of housing. Los Angeles had the highest rate in the state, 26.9 percent, followed by Napa at 25.5 percent.

http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article2916749.html#storylink=cpy
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MalibuGuru



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

swchandler wrote:
Examples of how select facts and statistics can be manipulated to tell the story you want. The contrived telltales seems to point to President Obama being the fault for any and all negative trends, yet are the conclusions true? Not really, but I guess that if your prejudices want that outcome, that's what you walk away with.


Chandler, are you better off today than you were 6 years ago? More income? Nicer car? Better food and clothes? If you are, then you are an aberration.

Honestly, I am slightly better off thanks to the Fed easy money policies.
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