Voter "Fraud" or voter disenfranchisement?

KGB-NP · Joined: 25 Jul 2001 Posts: 2856

real-human · Joined: 02 Jul 2011 Posts: 14876 Location: on earth

The executive director of the North Carolina State Board of Elections revealed Monday that state officials had uncovered a “coordinated” and “unlawful” effort to collect absentee ballots on behalf of a Republican congressional candidate in the November election.

techno900 · Joined: 28 Mar 2001 Posts: 4161

So, SW, if by some miracle there was massive immigration reform which identified all illegals in the country and made them legal (either work permits or path to citizenship, dreamers, etc.), would that discourage or encourage additional illegal entry into the US?

Assuming you are not dumb enough to claim "discourage", then what do we do then about gaining control of illegal entry? It's only about 200,000 per year at the moment, and maybe that's no big deal to you, but somehow, complete control seems necessary.

At every port of entry - on the border, or at shipping and airport terminals, there are plenty of walls, fences, glass windows and guards to maintain complete control. Why can't we do better at our borders where millions have crossed illegally?

And before all the "hate" BS surfaces, my experience with many hispanics, legal and some possibly illegal has allways been good. The majority are hard working and just trying to find a better life. I think we all understand that, but our very porous borders and lax visa enforcment will ultimately have a bad downside if we can't get control.

The left harps on the negatives of a society of "haves" and "have nots". Illegal immigration only amplifies the income disparity. Isn't that a concern for those on the left?

real-human · Joined: 02 Jul 2011 Posts: 14876 Location: on earth

https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/facts-are-emerging-about-potential-election-fraud-in-north-carolina-1444534851744?cid=eml_mda_20190219

Facts are emerging about potential election fraud in North Carolina

mac · Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:45 am Post subject:

Crickets on Mexican MAGA hats and Trump hiring illegals. But we can still hear the hypocrisy. And the hate.

swchandler · Joined: 08 Nov 1993 Posts: 10588

techno900, why do you deliberately keep ignoring what I've said? If American companies and individuals are punished severely for hiring illegal immigrants, illegals won't be able to successfully find work. In the US, if you don't have money coming in, you will not last for too long. It's pretty simple really, and it's much better than a foolish border wall. If you think I'm wrong about this, I welcome your comments.

But let's be frank, there will still be significant numbers of Spanish speaking Hispanic workers in the US doing the work that Americans would prefer not to do. Yet, after responsible immigration reform, these workers will be legally permitted to enter the country and they can be monitored more readily. So in the end for Americans that desperately want to rid our nation of Hispanics, they will most likely be very unhappy that their idea of a white nation just isn't going to happen.

real-human · Joined: 02 Jul 2011 Posts: 14876 Location: on earth

techno900 · Joined: 28 Mar 2001 Posts: 4161

sw said:

mac · Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:59 pm Post subject:

Crickets on Trump's hiring illegals.

swchandler · Joined: 08 Nov 1993 Posts: 10588

Even with a more extensive border wall, if we don't get serious with American companies and individuals that hire illegal immigrants, the number of illegals will continue to swell indefinitely into the future. History over time readily proves my point.

As far as assuming that all illegal immigrants currently in the US will receive a blanket approval for work permits, and an ultimate path to citizenship, I think that we need to be strict in the conditions and rules that will open that door. Moreover, I believe that a notable number of applicants could fail the test and find themselves being sent back to their home country. No doubt, I don't think we want to open our arms to folks with serious criminal records. Also, I think that folks without a responsible work history should be denied the chance to stay unless they are being cared for and supported by responsible family members.

Lastly, the idea that Democrats are for open borders and blanket amnesty is a false view. The sooner that fallacy is dumped, the closer we will be to finding a meaningful bi-partisan outcome to our illegal immigration problem.