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real-human
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https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/john-abowd-census-citizenship-question_us_5beb5dc1e4b0caeec2bf07fe
| Quote: | NEW YORK ― The Census Bureau’s top scientist testified Tuesday that neither he nor other top Census officials thought the decision to add a citizenship question to the 2020 census was a good idea.
The scientist, John Abowd, supervised a team of Census Bureau researchers that studied the effect of adding the question and ultimately advised against it in January. Abowd met with Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross only one time to discuss his recommendation, in February, before Ross ultimately decided to add the question.
Abowd testified Tuesday that he and other top Census Bureau officials were surprised to learn in June that Ross was interested in adding the question months before he even began the possibility of studying it. Ross initially said that he began considering the question only after the Justice Department requested it in December so that it could better enforce the Voting Rights Act.
Abowd’s testimony came as part of an ongoing federal lawsuit challenging the Trump administration’s decision to add a citizenship question to the 2020 census. Abowd’s analysis of the effect of the citizenship question is one of the most important pieces of evidence in the suit for the plaintiffs ―18 states, the District of Columbia, several cities and a handful of immigrant groups ― who say the decision to add the question was motivated by discriminatory intent and ignored clear evidence that adding the question would decrease the number of people who respond to the census. An inaccurate census would have far-reaching consequences, since the survey is used to draw electoral districts and allocate hundreds of billions of dollars of federal funds.
Abowd was repeatedly questioned Tuesday about a January memo he wrote to Ross in which he advised against adding the citizenship question. In the memo, Abowd said it would be very costly and harm the quality of the census count. He also said any citizenship data collected in a census would be substantially less accurate than information that’s available from administrative sources. He recommended that the Census Bureau get citizenship data from existing government records. |
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techno900
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| Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:45 am Post subject: |
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From the story: | Quote: | | who say the decision to add the question was motivated by discriminatory intent and ignored clear evidence that adding the question would decrease the number of people who respond to the census. An inaccurate census would have far-reaching consequences, since the survey is used to draw electoral districts and allocate hundreds of billions of dollars of federal funds. |
BINGO - states with high numbers of illegals wouldn't get as much federal funding per capita as those with actual citizens. The more illegals living in poverty in your state, the more money you get. |
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techno900
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| Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:46 am Post subject: |
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From the story: | Quote: | | who say the decision to add the question was motivated by discriminatory intent and ignored clear evidence that adding the question would decrease the number of people who respond to the census. An inaccurate census would have far-reaching consequences, since the survey is used to draw electoral districts and allocate hundreds of billions of dollars of federal funds. |
BINGO - states with high numbers of illegals wouldn't get as much federal funding per capita as those with actual citizens. The more illegals living in poverty in your state, the more money you get. |
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mac
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| Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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| techno900 wrote: | From the story: | Quote: | | who say the decision to add the question was motivated by discriminatory intent and ignored clear evidence that adding the question would decrease the number of people who respond to the census. An inaccurate census would have far-reaching consequences, since the survey is used to draw electoral districts and allocate hundreds of billions of dollars of federal funds. |
BINGO - states with high numbers of illegals wouldn't get as much federal funding per capita as those with actual citizens. The more illegals living in poverty in your state, the more money you get. |
Can you find a Constitutional provision to support your position? I don't think you can. But then prejudice is part of current GOP theology. |
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techno900
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| Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:17 am Post subject: |
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Mac said: | Quote: | | Can you find a Constitutional provision to support your position? I don't think you can. But then prejudice is part of current GOP theology. |
Regardless of "Constitutional provisions" population numbers have a direct impact on federal funding.
| Quote: | Uses of Census Bureau Data in Federal Funds Distribution
Executive Summary This working paper documents an updated estimate of the federal funds distributed each year in whole or in part using U.S. Census Bureau data. This paper finds that 132 programs used Census Bureau data to distribute more than $675 billion in funds during fiscal year 2015.
In 2009, the Census Bureau issued a working paper that found more than $400 billion of federal funds were distributed using Census Bureau data (Blumerman, 2009). This estimate was frequently used to illustrate the value of accurate Census Bureau data to the public, as part of the effort to encourage timely survey and census responses. However, the “more than $400 billion” estimate was based on fiscal year 2007 funding. As the Census Bureau actively prepares for the 2020 Census, an updated estimate becomes increasingly important.
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https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/decennial/2020/program-management/working-papers/Uses-of-Census-Bureau-Data-in-Federal-Funds-Distribution.pdf
| Quote: | With so much riding on the outcome of the 2020 Census, state and local officials are joining with the federal government in preparing now for the massive undertaking of attempting to count every woman, man, and child living in the United States.
At stake are numbers of seats each state will get in the U.S. House, the boundaries of voting districts, and more than $675 billion per year in federal funds to state and local governments for such necessities as social services, roads, and schools.
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https://www.philly.com/news/census-citizenship-lawsuit-philadelphia-pa-nj-20181219.html
Asking for citizenship on the census will discourage illegals from participating, lowering the count and less money from the government as well as less representation in the House. |
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mac
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| Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:35 am Post subject: |
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| Exactly. I guess irony is lost on you. The taker states—I believe you live in one—taking more. |
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swchandler
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| Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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"Asking for citizenship on the census will discourage illegals from participating, lowering the count and less money from the government as well as less representation in the House."
techno900, I have to agree with your statement above, but what really surprises me is that you took a position opposite to the Trump Administration. That's encouraging. |
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techno900
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Trump wants the question so that the illegals will not respond to the census because the fear of being identified and deported, providing a more accurate count of actual citizens, not just the population. The assumption is that without the question, more illegals will participate in the census.
That means that the number of congressional representatives and federal funding would be based on the number of warm bodies, not just citizens. In the "taker state of California", the more warm bodies that are counted, equals more federal dollars and representatives. Since California has about 2.8 million illegals, I don't want my tax dollars supporting them. It's also unfair for the number of representatives to be determined by non citizens.
| Quote: | Trump’s Census Change Could Give the GOP an Advantage for Years to Come
By Margaret Hartmann
Several months ago, a Census Bureau researcher warned that test surveys ahead of the 2020 Census were already showing “unprecedented” levels of concern from immigrants, who fear that answering the survey could lead to deportation, though that would be an illegal use of the data.
On Monday night the Commerce Department announced a change that’s likely to make the problem much worse: in keeping with a request from the Justice Department, the next Census will include a question about citizenship status. Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross said in a statement that he has “determined that reinstatement of a citizenship question on the 2020 decennial Census questionnaire is necessary to provide complete and accurate Census block level data.”
While it might seem like the epitome of boring government bureaucracy, the count of every person living in America — which must take place every ten years, according to the Constitution — is extremely important, as the data is used to draw political districts and determine the distribution of federal funding. The Trump administration’s move is likely to give Republicans, who already have an edge in congressional and state legislative maps, an even greater advantage for years to come. |
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/03/trumps-census-change-could-boost-the-gop-for-years-to-come.html
The bottom line question should be: Does the US want a census of legal citizens or just warm bodies? I think for conservatives, we want citizens to determine federal funding and congressional representation. |
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mac
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You “original intent” “conservatives” are highly selective in your understanding of the Constitution. Of course, when the Constitution was adopted, many citizens had not been born in this country. To be sure, there were no restrictions on immigration for many decades.
Now, folks like Techno use the immigration issue to rationalize their biases and selfishness. Well beyond sad. |
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swchandler
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techno900, I guess you really don't appreciate the fact the much of the fresh fruit and vegetables harvested and processed in this nation is done by Hispanics, most of which are illegal immigrants. That can be said for most meat processing and packaging too. The value that these folks contribute is immense, and our national economy depends greatly on their work ethic and determination, but you would prefer that they be ignored for petty and decidedly selfish reasons.
You know the thing that really bothers me is that many states, including yours, receive back significantly more in federal tax dollars than they contribute.
Why is that fair? If this problem was corrected, I'm sure that folks like you would be greatly disappointed and unsettled with the outcome. |
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