Obamacare in a nutshell

[techno900]

cobardhead,

To answer your question, I will have to spend some time researching the possibilities. CLEARLY, the one big bite approach was/is too much. There just might have been some bipartisan solutions had there been a little more effort from both parties to find some common ground to begin designing a plan. When "it my way or the highway" approach from either side, we all end up getting screwed one way or the other.

To repeat, who on the left is supporting the Democratic leaders of the ACA?

[coboardhead]

Techno

You are claiming the ACA is "clearly" a failed effort. Proof of this?

BTW, supporting the ACA is not a "left" position. I have supported a similar law since I first heard about it in a seminar put out as a rebuttal to the Clinton plan sometime in the early '90's by a conservative organization.

Since you consider me left (my liberal friends will laugh), I will respond to the "Gruber talk". I assume you went to college and had exposure to the technocratic college professors? Enough said. Pelosi and Reid are political hacks.

[isobars]

Health care insurance companies' stock up 140% to 195% since ACA. They LOVE this bill and the billions ($1T over a decade) of dollars it is putting in their pockets. 40%-80% of the insured, depending on several factors -- including your average-paid lawyer or engineer in many cases -- are getting subsidies, which go into premiums, which go into the insurance companies' pockets.

Until, as planned but kept quiet years ago, the subsidies fade and the premiums increase by 40% to 400% in 2015.

There's apparently been a sucker born every minute since the middle of the last century.

[keycocker]

The support for the ACA has always been much higher than support for Obamacare.
Campaign of lies on the right leaving Americans confused.

[coboardhead]

The funds for the subsidies do not come from premiums from other policy holders.

You guys should read all of Gruber's stuff...not just the statements that feed your preconceived notions about the ACA.

[nw30]

[swchandler]

techno900, what we're seeing now is just the latest right wing media blitz to blast a gaping hole in America's positive view of the ACA in a specious Hail Mary attempt to sink it. It's just bad theater in my view. I mean, is everybody supposed find synergy with this latest round of character assassinations of President Obama, Senate Majority Leader Reid, House Minority Leader Pelosi and the latest target, Gruber?

I can just imagine the smoke filled room with Republican advisors and banks of media experts planning their latest angles and strategies for their never ending war on the ACA, and anyone that had anything to do with promoting, passing or defending it. Combing the past for anything that can be dredged up to load their media cannon in the all out assault. Despite the lack of any past success in the last 50+ attempts to take it down, they're not deterred. They're hoping that they can leverage their recent election successes to create a wave of public discontent, particularly during the current yearly sign-up cycle for the ACA. The undercurrent of hate and terror being spewed right now is palpable.

But, what are Republicans offering to replace what they so desperately want to kill? Unbelievably, nothing. Where's the leadership for real healthcare reform, and most importantly, the ideas to support it? How do they propose to cut the exploding costs of health care we've seen over the years? If the truth were told, Republicans really don't want healthcare reform, because the special interests and money behind them don't. It ironic that the ACA is patterned on the Heritage Foundation's grand conservative plan for healthcare reform for America. All the standard Republican fanfare touting the importance of personal responsibility is conveniently missing in the war against healthcare reform. Why is that? The fact that the foundation of the ACA is built on marketplace capitalism is also conveniently buried and ignored. There is this contrived view that the ACA is a government run socialist program, simply because the government has required that certain realistic standards be met by the insurance industry to protect the interests of the American people. To me, all the attempts to walk away or hide from core conservative principles just shows the lack of support for any kind of healthcare reform.

Some of you might think I'm wrong about all this, but I seriously doubt that you can actually prove it.

[DaneDingerson]

Boehner is with you on this Chandler.
He enjoyed having folks here repeat the lie that Congress gets a special deal to avoid the ACA, but since that isn't true he bought insurance on the exchange like everyone else.
Just more covertly.
Now he is 65 and can go on Medicare but he prefers his ACA coverage and plans to continue with it.
Covertly.

[nw30]

swc: "But, what are Republicans offering to replace what they so desperately want to kill? Unbelievably, nothing."

Prove it, I've never heard any GOP member say that they wanted everything to stay the same, never. As far as I know, everyone wanted, and still wants, health insurance reform, leaving health care alone.

[uwindsurf]