Obamacare in a nutshell

swchandler · Joined: 08 Nov 1993 Posts: 10588

NW30, if you go back some years, some Republican leaders were actually promoting the Heritage Foundation's plan for healthcare reform. However, even a conservative plan didn't gain enough bi-partisan traction at the time. What else have Republicans offered on their own? I'm not talking about haggling piecemeal like they did in the Democrat's push for reform. I have to give the President Obama and the Democrats credit for championing and passing a viable plan, even though I would have preferred a Medicare type plan myself.

One thing that's very important to recognize is the fact that a significant healthcare reform plan will come not from Congress. The origination of such a comprehensive overall plan really must come from a think tank environment that has the ideas and intellectual foundation to develop such a detailed program concept and the reasoning to support it. The conservative Heritage Foundation was the Republican's best shot, and they foolishly abandoned it because the money behind them didn't want it. Where else do you see a sophisticated conservative plan for healthcare reform? It's simply not there.

techno900 · Joined: 28 Mar 2001 Posts: 4161

swchandler said:

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swchandler · Joined: 08 Nov 1993 Posts: 10588

"Calling the fiasco "bad theater" seems somewhat desperate."

Let's be honest, all of us are just viewers in the war games going on right now against the ACA. We don't really have a hand in crafting or deciding anything. In my view, what I see from the right now is bad theater. It's just my opinion. I really don't have personal stake in the battle against the ACA. I'm simply an observer. Like you, I'm now covered by Medicare.

The only reason that there is a problem with the ACA is the stark fact that it requires folks to be responsible, and that requires them to spend what is arguably significant money on health insurance. The situation and polling screams to me that America may just have a majority of irresponsible people the would rather choose to let the government, and those that are responsible, pay the price should they suffer an accident or a disease. Think about it, if we were talking about folks living on government welfare, housing and food stamps, you would be singing a similar tune like I am wanting folks to take responsibility for themselves. Believe it or not, I do have a notable conservative streak in my view of things.

boggsman1 · Joined: 24 Jun 2002 Posts: 9120 Location: at a computer

Since the majority of Americans get insurance from one of two places, through their employer, and Medicare...why would a new entitlement poll very well, given that people like to vote with their pocketbook? And why are Republicans so poll conscience now, after stating for years that all Obama does is read the polls? And also stating that a good leader what he thinks is right, regardless of polls. Techno...why dont we just have polls to decide all public policy decisions, we could do away with Congress , and politicians all together?

isobars · Joined: 12 Dec 1999 Posts: 20935

nw30 · Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 4:53 pm Post subject:

keycocker · Joined: 10 Jul 2005 Posts: 3598

Even Boehner has been defrauded. Ain't that amazing?
He volunteered.

coboardhead · Joined: 26 Oct 2009 Posts: 4303

It is possible some plans will see significant increases due to the requirements to include pre-existing conditions. So, there are going to be some folks that will pay more as their insurance pool may be required to absorb folks with higher health care expenses.

This can cause premiums to increase in some plans. But, this is NOT a function of the subsidies. It is not the poor you are paying extra for...it is the sicker folks. Please redirect your anger to the appropriate slackers.

The subsidies are financed through reduced payments to providers for Medicare and Medicaid. Major hospitals, generally, endorsed this aspect of the plan since they were absorbing much of the costs of treating the uninsured anyway.

Healthy middle-aged folks, with generous plans, are paying more. Boohoo! Why my lack of sympathy? Because they will get their reward by reaping much more health care reimbursement as they live 25 years into Medicare. A problem that keeps the Medicare actuarial nerds up all night.

BTW, the ACA is, largely, health insurance reform. And, about those polls...many are disappointed the health care plan is not single payer. Most of the "lefties" on this forum would rather have that and have not been thrilled with the law.