| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
nw30
Joined: 21 Dec 2008
Posts: 6485
Location: The eye of the universe, Cen. Cal. coast
|
 Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 7:10 pm Post subject: |
 |
|
It's kinda like porn, some judge a long time ago said something to the effect of "porn, it's very hard to define, but I know it when I see it".
Porn today is a thriving business, partially due to the fact that it's very hard to define.
Do I support torture? No.
Do I support waterboarding? Yes
Will I offer my definition of torture? No, it's almost impossible, as the Fed has shown in their attempt. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
isobars
Joined: 12 Dec 1999
Posts: 20935
|
| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:02 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| nw30 wrote: | | Porn today is a thriving business ... |
As of the last accounting I heard, it's a bigger business than the NFL.
And the NBA.
And whatever they call baseball.
Combined. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
rigitrite
Joined: 19 Sep 2007
Posts: 520
Location: Kansas City
|
| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:56 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: | | Ya also gotta convince us you'd let your kid die for a principle. |
My kiddie will not die for a principle, because your argument fails on point of trying to prove an argument based on a situation that not only never has happened to anyone, ever, in the history of mankind, but will never happen to me or anyone in the future of mankind. Your bullshit argument is exactly the same as trying to strong arm someone into believing the end of days is at hand(!!!) and you better join my kooky cult and give me all your money!!! The only thing that all predictions of the end of the world for the past 4000 years or so share, is: they've all been wrong....and they will all continue to be wrong.
Similarly, the only thing the "ticking time-bomb" scenario arguments all share is: they're all based on a false premise and expecting a true result from a process (torture) that ONLY gives false results.
It's bullshit based on lies, probably why conservatards love it so much.
_________________
Kansas City |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
isobars
Joined: 12 Dec 1999
Posts: 20935
|
| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 11:09 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Watch the news, dude. Educate yourself. What do you think were the criteria for selecting the three terrorists we waterboarded?
Besides, without defining torture objectively, the entire debate is not even hypothetical, merely ludicrous. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
techno900
Joined: 28 Mar 2001
Posts: 4161
|
| Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 9:07 am Post subject: |
|
|
slinky said: | Quote: | | If you don't know what severe means you must be mentally challenged |
If it is so easy to define, let's see what you can come up with and the rest of us will judge.
Severe is not an objective term.
Use what is in the law: | Quote: | (2) “severe mental pain or suffering” means the prolonged mental harm caused by or resulting from—
(A) the intentional infliction or threatened infliction of severe physical pain or suffering; |
Give some examples of "severe physical pain or suffering" ranging from something that isn't on the scale at the low end to something that is off the scale on the upper end.
The definition of severe is: 1.(of something bad or undesirable) very great; intense: synonyms: acute · very bad · serious · grave · critical · dreadful · terrible ·
Every synonym as well as "bad" and "undesirable" are ALL very subjective terms that can have wide and varied interpretations. THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH TRYING TO DEFINE "TORTURE", so says this mentally challenged individual. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
swchandler
Joined: 08 Nov 1993
Posts: 10588
|
| Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:02 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I can't believe that you guys are playing isobars' game right now. Already, NW30 is offering up what kind of torture is acceptable to him, and I have no question that isobars could rationalize going much farther.
Americans need to have high standards, and twisting and bending those standards when it comes to torture is amoral. Maybe TV is taking its toll on society. It's not too hard to see people getting killed wholesale every night after 8:00PM. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
nw30
Joined: 21 Dec 2008
Posts: 6485
Location: The eye of the universe, Cen. Cal. coast
|
| Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:22 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| swchandler wrote: | | I can't believe that you guys are playing isobars' game right now. Already, NW30 is offering up what kind of torture is acceptable to him. |
No I didn't, you like twisting other people's words? Don't be a cheap shooter.
The Navy SEALS don't torture each other during their training, and they do waterboarding as part of that.
Unless you think SEAL training is in itself torture, then I'm glad you don't have what it took, or had the desire to try to become one. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
isobars
Joined: 12 Dec 1999
Posts: 20935
|
| Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:55 pm Post subject: |
|
|
How high is up?
How long is far?
What color is pale?
How heavy is a frammis?
What is the best shoe?
What tastes best?
Who weighs most .. a tall thin guy or a short fat guy?
Are ANY of the bleeding hearts beginning to comprehend that we must define words in a measurable manner before judging something by them? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
rigitrite
Joined: 19 Sep 2007
Posts: 520
Location: Kansas City
|
| Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 11:26 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: | | Watch the news, dude. Educate yourself. |
I do, I have, you haven't. Pretty much sums it up.
| Quote: | | What do you think were the criteria for selecting the three terrorists we waterboarded? |
Um...Bullshit??? Yes! It was definitely Bullshit. Bullshit invented by morally bankrupt conservatards to convince themselves that they were "doing something" about a war they started spinning out of control.
But the ticking time-bomb scenario? Never happened.
_________________
Kansas City |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
beaglebuddy
Joined: 10 Feb 2012
Posts: 1120
|
| Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2015 1:56 am Post subject: |
|
|
For it to be defined as torture there must be maiming involved such as having fingers and toes cut off, limbs twisted resulting in torn muscles and connective tissue, broken bones and teeth, bamboo jammed up finger nails, holes drilled in the body, electric shocking I would define as torture if it results in injury, etc.
Otherwise it's just beating the crap out of someone, i.e. enhanced interrogation which used to be standard procedure at many police departments.
Where I draw the line is doing this to our own citizens vs some muslim we captured (citizen or not) |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum
|
|
|
Search
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Register
